This is bullshit :- brexit

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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-supreme-court-ruling-judges-defy-theresa-may-and-hand-power-to-parliament-a7542406.html

I can see the MP voting to stay in.

I am concerned for the safety of the judges and that of Gina Miller after this. The way the Fail reacted to the judges even considering this case - putting their photos and personal details about them on the front page - and the way they have stirred up feeling against them was grossly irresponsible journalism. God knows what they'll print now.

So let me get this straight. Most leavers voted leave as they wanted decisions about Britain to be made in Britain as part of our democracy and now the Supreme Court has said that is to be the case and that Theresa May must allow those democratically elected people to be involved - you're whinging that the 'will of the people' (52 to 48% of the people that voted so hardly an overwhelming majority) is being ignored! 🙄

And I know it wasn't a vote - more an expression of opinion - but I can't think of a better word off the top of my head

I wish to goodness there was a chance that MPs would vote not to trigger art.50, but be serious- there isn't.
I'm rather confused by people who say they voted Brexit as they want the UK parliament to be sovereign, being unhappy that our highest court has confirmed said parliament's sovereignty.

Lark, Corbyn is between a rock and a hard place. His constituency will not forgive him for going against what they want if he votes with the government in this , which I think he will do. there are many arguments as to why he has taken this line.
The Stoke by election will be interesting too.

All that will happen is a bill, an act of parliament rushed through and article 50 triggered because MPs are not going to go against their constituency because they'll be scared of not getting reelected

I really wouldn't be too sure - never underestimate the self interest of MPs, or how deep many of their noses are in the EU trough

Personally I've always expected that the arguments will be dragged out until it's too late to do anything before the next election ... and what then happens if no major party is prepared to stand on a firm commitment to take us out?

F A O Bushymuffmum

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You wanted sovereignty, you've got it.

Bizarrely, it's probably party politics not national/EU politics that's most affected. Labour are probably the party most affected by this. Corbyn is in an extremely difficult position; Stoke on Trent may be decisive.

This may start the process of a spring GE - the twelve point plan of May's looked more like a manifesto pledge last week.
The thought of months of that on the TV is a bit soul destroying.
The only party anti brexit is the SNP, lib dems and the greens I believe.

Which MP is going to vote against his/her constituents' wishes?

Even if some of them have since changed their minds (I'm looking at you, parts of Wales and Cornwall, who didn't realise where their funding comes from ).

Which means that the MP vote will simply reflect the actual referendum, surely?

Oh good. They've gone for the measured 'Yet again the elite show their contempt for Brexit voters.' Damn that pesky rule of law.

OP
This is BRITISH judges voting to give the right to the BRITISH parliament to decide on the foreign EU.
The world is not ending here. There must be a thorough debate on on it and then it must be decided.
I am proud of being British today. Parliament stands sovereign.

Roast potatoes??????
FGS !!!!!!!!
Obviously we need to leave then to retain sovereignty over our roast potatoes.

Corbyn is between a rock and a hard place

Indeed he is. Interesting times for Labour.

The Stoke by election will be interesting too.

As will the Copeland one, where thank goodness Momentum's preferred candidate didn't get selected.

The candidate they did select supported Owen Smith in the election campaign and has been openly critical about Corbyn. It was also a Leave voting constituency.

What incompetence has led us here!

We're leaving that EU, that's clear, but surely, looking at the horrible mess we've been landed in, the most basic of common sense would say "we're now going to make it happen according to the rule of law and the correct processes of the UK constitution".

If you're in a completely bodged situation do you call for more bodging or for things to be sorted out properly?

I'm a very strong leaver and I think the ruling was correct.

I think it's understandable that some people will panic and think it is an overturning of the referendum result. It isn't. If you listen to the judgement hand-out the judge was very clear that it is not.

I think the main outcomes will be more debate about the type of Brexit, which is not a bad thing, and MPs having to stand up and be counted and show a bit of back bone in respecting the referendum results even if they want to remain.

I don't think the ruling will stop us leaving the EU.

hackmum How very generous minded of you. I believe there are some intelligent remain voters too

Yes puzzled
We need to be through the 2 years after a50 before the next GE starts or parties could campaign on a remain ticket (we can overturn a50). So basically May needs to push the button this year. But I think we could still end up with a vote of no confidence in the Govt and a snap election before 2020 and this ruling makes that more likely.
It's all such a mess.

I think UKIP will win in Stoke. There are no words

Why is it bullshit? This isn't about blocking Brexit, it's about the government having to consult MPs before they can start the process. I think it's democratic and it follows the process, the UK being a parliamentary democracy...

And what does the EU have to do with roast potatoes?! Haha. Once you're out of the EU, who are you going to blame for everything that goes wrong in this country??

I am going to keep hoping that the discussion leads to a general election or is prolonged to the next one.
By then, a very large number of Remain voters will come of age and that alone might change the whole situation.
And yes OP, even THAT would be democracy.

But I think we could still end up with a vote of no confidence in the Govt and a snap election before 2020 and this ruling makes that more likely.

Which very current polling shows the Tories would win by an increased majority.

Sadly Labour are a mess.

Bizarrely, it's probably party politics not national/EU politics that's most affected. Labour are probably the party most affected by this. Corbyn is in an extremely difficult position

I agree with this.

snap election before 2020 and this ruling makes that more likely At which point Labour will be obliterated and UKIP will have more MPs elected. Nicola will have another IndyRef.