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To not want biological dad involved

173 replies

BlueParrott · 20/01/2017 16:16

My son is 18 mnths old. Split with his dad before he was born and the only contact weve had since is when he visited us when he was a newborn to question his paternity and tell me no one would ever want me with a mixed race child!
Anyway now ive moved with my son an hour and a half away with my fiance. My fiance and i are marrying July 2018 and he plans to adopt my son. However ive heard from a good friend my ex is sniffing around and isnt happy i moved without telling him. Hes the type to cause trouble aibu to not want him involved in our lives?

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BlueParrott · 21/01/2017 09:55

Reboot we're not looking into adoption until we're married so me having a next partner won't happen

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ShowMePotatoSalad · 21/01/2017 09:57

If he has one way of contacting you, then leave it at that.

Once you and your fiancé are married, is there any legal reason why he will need to adopt your son? You will be living together as a family anyway - your fiancé will be acting as a father to your son and raising him with you.

If your ex is able to contact you then you'll just wait and see what happens. So long as you don't put up any barriers to your son seeing his biological dad then it's all on him.

reallybadidea · 21/01/2017 09:57

It might be easier to apply for a parental responsibility order as a step parent rather than go for adoption.

RebootYourEngine · 21/01/2017 10:07

But relationships dont always work out.

I dont really see the point of adoption in this case. Your dp/dh can love and look after your ds as if he was his own without having to go down the adoption route. Who is pushing the adoption?

Underthemoonlight · 21/01/2017 10:10

It is because it's only 18months and that's why the sil was so concerned you are moving so fast, even getting married quickly. Why do you need to adopt him? What difference does it make to your family? It would be different if there was fives years of no contact and your dp had been there from the start but you have no right to decline access because you don't like your ex.

ChocolateCakeandSprinkles · 21/01/2017 10:13

The longer he has had no access or made an effort with your child, the stronger your case would be in court. Get married and focus on building a really happy family. Then a few years down the line if you still want to go ahead then look into it because your case will be stronger.

Underthemoonlight · 21/01/2017 10:14

Your relationship didn't last with your DC father what's to say this one just because your married doesn't mean it can't break down. You want adoption as a form of telling people your a family unit but if you feel that anyway what does a piece of paper really do?

Quarksoundslikequack · 21/01/2017 10:28

OP, I'm with you on this one.

He's a shit dad & a shit person, he doesn't deserve a "second chance", you don't necessarily need the biological fathers permission....the courts will ask, he says no & then they'll appoint a social worker to deal with the child best interests.

Don't be put off because his name is on his cert.

If I met a guy who id been with for a while & he was serious about adopting my child, I wouldn't hesitate (if he's going to be a good dad, why wouldn't I?)

Sack off the ex, cut him out & move on with your life, my ex wouldn't even be informed of the "adoption" given the fact we aren't allowed to contact each other!

Don't be put off by the whole "poking the beast", this is your decision not his

ShowMePotatoSalad · 21/01/2017 10:34

But the problems do arise in the event of divorce, which can happen. Just look at divorce rates in this country. It's just being practical.

There was a thread on here not so long ago about a woman who's partner adopted her son. They had divorced but her ex wouldn't hand over his parental responsibilities and she was upset. She'd been happy her ex had adopted her son when they were together but once they'd split up she used the "but he's not the biological father" against him.

I'm not for a single second saying you would do that OP, just highlighting some of the potential issues.

My cousin (not biological) wasn't adopted by my uncle when he married my aunty, but she IS my cousin, she IS my uncle's daughter. It doesn't matter that she isn't his biological or legally adopted daughter. He raised her since she was 1 years old. Her biological dad has never tried to contact her as far as I know.

CurlsandCurves · 21/01/2017 10:46

I'd forget the adoption thing for now.
For one, it sounds like your ex has heard you are moving on and is pissed off about it. Having not attempted to contact you and your sone before now I'd say this is not about wanting to be in contact with his son, he's just annoyed about his loss of control.
Secondly, if you and your oh get married, live happily ever after etc, your oh will be his dad, no matter what the birth certificate says. I have a friend in the exact same position. Bio dad has not been seen in over 10 years. Her DH has been a dad to her son since the age of about 2. He is known by the family surname, but his passport still has his bio dads surname unfortunately. No adoption has taken place but there is no doubt who this child's dad is.

Hopefully your ex will just huff and puff for a bit then lose interest again.

SingingSilver · 21/01/2017 11:08

The word you're looking for is "dad" not biological dad.

No, I think the term she was looking for was 'feckless cunt' but 'biological dad' sounds more diplomatic, no?

OnionKnight · 21/01/2017 11:10

He's on the birth certificate, the OP can't just sack him off.

Some posters don't seem to understand the law.

SingingSilver · 21/01/2017 11:12

Unfortunately OP, you made a mistake letting him be on the birth certificate. It gives him legal parental rights (however little he deserves them) and he can refuse adoption by your partner, among other things. I wouldn't even try to be honest, it'll probably push him into action. In that kind of situation, you are best off not doing anything that could trigger a response.

I didn't know my Dad wasn't my biological Dad until I was 12. I was never adopted, I didn't even have an official namechange. It makes no difference to me. I know who my Dad is.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 21/01/2017 11:23

Don't poke the bear. I would leave well enough alone and see how this relationship plays out.
He may just be ranting to be "seen to give a shit" but actually not really be prepared to make any effort at al.
My biggest concern would be what would happen to him if you died suddenly. Do you have a will so your family could get custody if he didn't contest?

MiscellaneousAssortment · 21/01/2017 11:23

It's not the right of a mother to bestow fatherhood on another man in order to make a new family you like better, even if it's for the best of motives.

I wish I could wipe my stbxh right out of DS's life, he's been a terribly damaging influence and DS deserves so much better. But, I wouldn't be able to sever the actual biological & legal link he has, just because I wanted to.

There is a huge difference between what feels right from your own perspective, and what is the law.

By the way, it's not easy at all to withhold access if your child's father takes it to court. And no, a very limited amount of 'emotional abuse' to you after the birth wouldn't be grounds to deny your DC a relationship with their father. I say limited, as you say he hasn't been around hardly at all since the birth of the child, so presumably not really much opportunity - not meaning to minimise if that's not what happened.

Sadly, even if there's been a huge amount of abuse to the mother of the children, over years, which has been documented and evidenced, it's still not necessarily a cut and dried case. Contact could be through a third party doing hand overs or a contact centre etc.

Courts separate out the relationship between father and his children from the adults relationship difficulties, unless it's clearly & directly one parent using it to abuse and it's damaging to the children.

In my opinion the bar for this is set too high (and something I'll have to battle at some point) but at the moment, it's the reality.

Parental alienation is becoming something the courts are aware of, so I'd also be careful to make sure any future actions on your part can't be seen in that light.

Brown76 · 21/01/2017 11:25

I have read your other post OP, and agree you need to take legal advice and take things slowly. However I do think some comments are a bit hard on the OP. The child has a right to acknowledgement, support and contact from both parents and the mum is doing this - her ex is not, and never has. Why is she responsible for making him do his bit?

neonrainbow · 21/01/2017 12:04

So judging by some other people's posts this particular op has probably left out some pertinent information. Like allowing her child to call some other bloke dad when they've been together no time at all. People are assuming this is an 18m relationship, which hasn't been confirmed. All we know is the child is 18m old. If they have been together 18m maybe the dad has good reason to think the child might not be his. If not, why the hell is she letting her kid call another guy dad and talking about adoption?

In any event we are only getting one disjointed side of the story. None of us have any idea if the dad has tried to contact and the op has put up barriers. To be honest reading her posts there is nothing at all to suggest that she is intending to be reasonable about contact now, so who is to say she was when the baby was born? I think the op is deliberately leaving stuff out to make it sound like her ex is a knob when actually it may not be as straightforward as that.

BlueParrott · 21/01/2017 12:48

Neon i have been with fiance for over a year so most of my sons life. I knew him before we got together. My ex contacted me about the birth certificate and registering him so we did that at 3 weeks i havent heard from him since. He has no reason to think hes not the biological dad.

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neonrainbow · 21/01/2017 13:38

So i assume as a mum with her child best interests at heart, you left a reasonable time before introducing your partner to your son. So presume he's been in your sons life for only a few months yet you're happy for him to call him daddy? Or did you just jump in there with both feet and go full on with your son and this guy as a replacement dad?

Anniegetyourgun · 21/01/2017 14:02

On the other thread she said the child was saying dada as they do, trying out the sound, not necessarily meaning Daddy, and this upset the sister. They weren't encouraging it as such.

RebootYourEngine · 21/01/2017 14:09

From this thread and some of OPs other threads it looks like the OP started dating her fiance when her ds was about 6 months old. A year later they are engaged and the child has started calling his mums fiance dada.

Op you may not have told your son to call him dada but i bet you are happy that he does.

I do not like people who play with their childrens lives like this.

Underthemoonlight · 21/01/2017 14:14

A year is nothing on average relationships will either carry on and break up after 18months -2years, yet you are planning a wedding, introduced a man into yours sons life living with him I'm guessing and haven't stop him calling him dada and there's talks of adoption no wonder the sil is concerned. There's a big difference is knowing someone years and being in a relationship with them.

BlueParrott · 21/01/2017 16:14

Neon he had already met my son as we knew each other via my brother.

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neonrainbow · 21/01/2017 16:31

You'll do as you please im sure. I hope the dad goes for contact before you manage to write him out of the kids life.

BlueParrott · 21/01/2017 16:53

Neon your posts are spiteful

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