To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

I'm also adding I can't see anything else that can be added to the debate. But should a Mum appear all sullen on the DM, my trauma as Mum with pram, we can equally sigh concurrently.

Have fun & thank you to all those who have had common sense, hopefully educating the teacher troll.

I saw a fight on face book with mothers I consider nice women, saying that they would always refuse to fold up their buggy, because......

green read the early posts on the thread.trufle etc.

And it's pretty easy to fold a buggy in seconds. I did as a mum of 4 and as a CM to 5.

Around here there are no buggy spaces on buses.

See as brasty says there are stupid entitled idiots who will never act decently and need the law to change their behaviour.

Like racist, sexist and antisocial acts like drunk driving.

You have to legislate for stupid.

For those who appear to dislike mothers of babies and toddlers and think we have no right to want to have buggies on a busI can assure you that in the town I live in, many buses have buggy spaces. It's really not beyond imagination that other cities and towns should do the same.

Thank you Sparky, my BIL used to hate it when people spoke over him to my sis, thankfully she used to firmly redirect them to him!! Hope your kids have some good answers lined up for the thoughtless questions.
I really don't mind people asking although some people are so blunt and persistent! O2 likely to carry on for a few more years, as well as tube feeds (he's 18 months) so I'm gonna prep him with answers (if he ever learns to talk!) . kids are the best - they just ask what's that for, what does that do, why?? And I see their parents cringing. Hate it when they answer and say ohh its cos he's poorly. I tell kids his o2 is like glasses for your eyes - he just needs extra help.

I don't think anyone has expressed that view, I hasten to add I think all the people who are w/c users on this thread are parents.

I don't dislike mothers parents of babies and toddlers.

I dislike selfish arsewipes. Progeny available as an optional accessory.

tabula but the "in my day, we had to walk 50 miles with the pushchair or fold it up and it it into our handbg and we all mannged whilst having 3 month triplets isnt a valid reason to ban prams and buggies. We used to manage without electricity, women used to be Expected to give up work when they got married, MN and FB and TV never existed and people coped. Things change, some for the better and largely we all get to benefit. Its called progressed

But service not everybody rocks up with oodles of time and you would need to go on carrying a buggy and 3 under 3( impossible) or take on your 3 toddlers,ask 3 other passengers to hold( hoping they would) then return for the folded buggyx how ever many other buggy users. On our buses thanks to the fab design there is now very little space to stow folded buggies anyway,they are better up with the break on. There is simply no need on ours to fold now anyway.

I too was a childminder and risk assessments need to be written for every journey. I'm not sure how you would account for either scenario with Ofsted frankly. That said I'm not really concerned about childminders as it is a job and you provide the resources needed for your customers ie a car .

I don't get the bus because it's too difficult and stressful but I fancy getting on a busy bus in rush hour in London. I'm going to ask someone to hold me while I get my partner to fold my wheelchair.

"We used to manage without electricity, women used to be Expected to give up work when they got married, MN and FB and TV never existed and people coped"

Yep, they're all the same as folding a buggy right enough.

Folding a buggy to get on a bus isn't some huge work of drudgery, it's nothing like as hard or complicated as it's being made out to be.

Takes about 30 seconds and with about 3 practises you can do it one handed while holding a baby and a bag of shopping, little bit trickier with a toddler and a baby, but still nowhere near hard.

You shouldn't have to ban buggies from buses, but if more people than the occasional crackpot are actually going to try and justify not moving for a wheelchair user - maybe they should be banned TBH.

i havent rtft i was already annoyed by page 2

it never shoujld have got this far common sense should have prevailed but a with some idiots it just doesnt get through

noone makes people go out with a pram that cant fold or wont fold thats your choice

years ago u couldnt get on certain buses unless u folded it first so get over it buses arfe much more user friendly

w/c users dont have a choice so just stfu and fold it down

Why don't double decker buses have a whole bottom floor dedicated to these groups? The able bodied people can go up stairs or stand up downstairs. Have 2 seats along the bottom of the bus for elderly, and other vulnerable groups. And allow prams and w/c to use the other side, enabling them to comfortably get on and off a bus without them having to fight to the death for the single space which is pitiful. Trains should also have wheelchair access with every carriage. It's strange how parents with prams are becoming the scapegoat for the rest of the uk who don't offer sufficient wheelchair access in general!

Just to add the buses in my town got rid of the compartment to store buggies and luggage and created more space for w/c's.

Had to share this story for the like of trifle
I have 2 DD's 15 months apart and used to use the bus regularly so would fold buggy up while waiting when possible and carry baby and wrangle toddler on the bus with double fold down and shopping. A lot of nice drivers would hold the baby/toddler while I did this but one day I was on way home and struggling as toddler was being a sod uncooperative, the driver huffed and grumbled he was going to drive off when a guy in a w/c already on the bus came forward and took the shopping and then the baby from me onto the bus. I was so grateful I could of cried. Yes I would of managed but he could see I needed help and was struggling and he did the decent thing. I think we should remember w/c face greater struggles daily and do the decent thing without being asked. And yes I have also walked when a space is needed.

Francis two rows of seats down one side... why shouldn't able people stand? Just like buggies can fold, legs can stand up! More space for w/c is the point isn't it? Why are you so hostile about that?

There are far more people using buses with mobility issues than buggy users though. It makes more sense to ferry around those who cannot walk than those who chose not to.

Servicesupport this council agrees with you. As do i But the comments underneath are interesting particularly the last one and yet again proves what disabled people are up against.

www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/13835359.Taxi_drivers_prosecuted_after_refusing_to_carry_guide_dog/

I've simply made a suggestion to create more space, unfortunately I'm not a design engineer or know anybody who can put my plans into action maybe one day. I'll be sure to put hand rails in!

People have paid to sit on the bus though, I wouldn't want to pay £2.80 to go into town and stand the whole journey.

trifle you ASS. take your baby out of chair and put it in sling while you are standing on pavement. fold pushchair, get on bus, put chair away sit or stand on bus with baby safely in sling. space left for wheelchair user should it be needed. If you can't manage this simple manoeuvre, you are a fucking lazy twat who can't barely be trusted to look after a baby.

*chipsandchilli

People have paid to sit on the bus though, I wouldn't want to pay £2.80 to go into town and stand the whole journey.*

Welcome to my bus during peak time. As a mother with a folded out pushchair I rarely sit