To think it's common sense to let a w/c user have the w/c spot

[SparkyStar84]

I've just seen the ruling on disabled people getting priority in disabled spots on buses. Isn't that common sense. What kind of person would deny a w/c user the space because 'pushchair'?
I'm a w/c user it makes it easier in a way to get about with children, though I know some w/c users still have a buggy.
This is about the parents who refuse to move, when asked, by someone who might have an appt or something important to get too. Not saying the parent doesn't. But isn't that the point of foldable buggies over great big travel systems?
It just bugs me that people have had to leave the bus because a parent wouldn't move. As a parent with kids of many ages, also remembering times gone by, the purpose of easy foldable buggies is that you can decamp when on the bus.
Do you think it's an issue that buses need to provide buggy spaces too?

You've never seen buggy spaces,seriously.

We live in the back of beyond and have them in fact our buses now have loads of space. They're so much better than before. We have wheelchair spaces,OAP spaces and buggy spaces.On top of that a lot of the front seem to be flip up seats which can easily accommodate more buggies or luggage.So loads of space and flexibility to accommodate all.

Not hard or impossible to provide.

Tbf Nanny I've me er had someone refuse to let me put the buggy in the buggy or the wheelchair space unless there's a buggy or a wheelchair already in there. Got on tonight and both people sitting in buggy area moved for after I asked nicely

bonnie honestly the vast majority of posters wouldn't dream of being such a selfish fuck that they think a baby in a buggy should prioritise a wheel chair user. It's obscene behaviour.

Agree with Tig money always talks and of bus companies know they could be sued them behaviour will change.

It's unbelievable that people have posted whinging crap about how hard it is with a baby and toddler and shopping and compare that with the daily battles of a wheel chair user but you can't really argue with stupid.

Hopefully this ruling will prove a landmark victory for kindness and consideration above entitlement and ignorance

Cases buggies bikes and people should not be in s designated wheel chair space.

No Support they are fully entitled to be there. just not in a person in a wheelchair wants to use it. The signagecon the bus is clear that you can use it, but also that wheelchair users get first priority

Who exactly has compared "Whinging crap" about struggles with a baby and toddler to struggling in a pushchair?

This is a parenting site,it is ok to say it's hard. It's not "whinging crap" to say you struggle. I think you need to be careful,how you word your posts.

I agree with those who've said unfolded buggies should be banned from buses altogether. Then cunty parents like Trifle would have to fight for the provision of buggy spaces and would realise they are a privilege, not a right.

To the Mum, memory is bad, who said about tubie baby or baby on O2, I said about 10/15 posts ago that people with disabilities that aren't obvious, usually get a letter or something to identify their situation. The example I gave was people who have tummy trouble who use bathroom cards.
It's one of them things you'll have to do, if someone asks you to move, but you have a disabled child in a buggy or pram. Because your rights are pretty much the same. I think this has been explained by multiple people, you wouldn't be expected to move, but yes you will have to give an explanation as it's not overly apparent to the driver.
Disabled people have to explain things, on bus journeys and in general life, people ask a multitude of questions. Add DC into the bargain, one on your lap, one in reigns, you get even more people talking to you as it's not an everyday sight.
I recall lots of people talking directly to DC whilst sometimes touching their hand, saying this must be much more fun for you.
That is life when you're disabled, people stare, they ask questions, they ignore you totally. It's a lottery. But been disabled so long nothing bothers me.
Even had people say race you! Which some might gasp at, I just laughed and said I'd probably beat you.
That's life.

Luckless its like saying some teenagers are shitbags who smoke on the bus so let's ban them all. Some old people push to the front of the queue so let's ban them all.

You deal with negative behaviours by having clear rules (use it but shift when a wheelchair user needs it) which clear and enforced consequences (hold the bus til them move etc). You don't just say well let's put down a whole group of people because some people want to make life harder for another group of people.

Ginger the whinging crap about how much more difficult it is to struggle with two sets of twins, three toddlers, the whole christmas shop and a chieftain tank has gone on for years.
It's still a wheelchair space.

Oh Sparky that me! How funny I posted underneath

How ridiculous.

Plenty of buses now lower and pushchair/ wheelchair uses can just sweep on. On many there is plenty of space for both. Why on earth would a bus on a restricted time frame want to stop and wait for every buggy to be folded when there is no need?

Can I also add there seems to be an undercurrent of, it's a w/c thing not a parenting thing. Us w/c users & disabled folk procreate too. A disability can be down to ill health or accidents.

Yeah Sparky I don't have an issue with explaining, he's got o2 pipes stuck to his pretty pretty face so its fairly clear. I only object to "oh poor baby, what's wrong with him??????"

Dawndonnaagain I think I may swap my power chair for a chieftain tank. It would be so much more fun. 😉

I think people also aren't as chatty as they used to be, getting on the bus many would chat with the bus driver, but if it's simply fare & off you go, the bus driver will be cranky. If you sweet talked them, maybe they'd hold a minute for you.

Bus drivers are human too. They're probably the least excited about this legislation as they'll have to be trained in conflict resolution, for all the T's he'll have to deal with.

(Remembered a name - cookie for me )

KitKats Dd will want one too, don't give her ideas!

You deal with negative behaviours by having clear rules (use it but shift when a wheelchair user needs it) which clear and enforced consequences (hold the bus til them move etc).

But that hasn't happened, has it, even with the new ruling. There are still cunts like Trifle out there who will refuse to move and get away with it.

GreenGinger2 It's quite recent that unfolded buses were allowed on and, guess what, the bus system didn't grind to a halt before then. Most people were intelligent enough to have the buggy folded before boarding.

It's a wheelchair space. We know. You're preaching to the converted. Those that feel differently are not going to change their minds because it's been repeated once again. Might it not be a better use of time to think of ways you can actively support wheelchair users and educate others within your local community rather than make flippant derogatory comments towards people that probably don't care and just reinforces their obstinance.

greenginger I think perceived wisdom is to do it before the bus. Even if there's no shelter just a stand and it's raining and you have triplets and the bus is empty.

I've not seen posts saying it's more difficult with twins just that it is difficult. It is ok to admit and voice that.

But on many buses there is zero need. They accommodate both perfectly well.

And folding then holding safely toddlers and a baby on a busy road whilst waiting for a bus that can be over half an hour late simply isn't feasible for some.

MommaGee I hope to God that what problems your DC has don't persist. But if, if they do, you have to be stoic and be prepared for people to ask questions.
Honestly you feel like is it your business. But find an easy way of answering, be prepared for more questions. People are inquisitive and it spreads awareness. I think sometimes it's because they feel awkward, or perhaps because they fancy a chat. It's an obvious conversation starter.
I'd rather someone talk than just stare to be honest, or even for example shop assistants who pretend that wheelchair = no mental capacity, speaking to the adult with you, like you don't exist.
It's obviously your choice at the end of the day. But just saying.

"Why on earth would a bus on a restricted time frame want to stop and wait for every buggy to be folded when there is no need?"

Why would they have to wait?

They didn't when it was physically impossible to get a buggy on a bus without folding it, but you just folded it while you were waiting...it's not like you weren't planning to catch a bus, if you're waiting at a bus stop to get a bus, it's kind of obvious what comes next...