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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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Megatherium · 13/01/2017 12:20

I really don't believe that the minimum payment for the student credit card is such a big issue. All he has to do is contact the credit card company which is likely to be well used to this situation with students and will probably be OK about agreeing payment terms. And, of course, that is precisely the sort of valuable advice your OH could give him. Bailing the son out will just result in more requests of the same type and he will never get his finances sorted. Your OH's proposed response sounds fine.

Mix56 · 13/01/2017 12:22

Just offer to buy his bus card. see the response.
This kid may be smoking dope all day, there is NO guarantee he has a job,
If he won't meet DH, for emergency meeting, DON'T get down in.
He doesn't have TIME ??? is really a joke

Mix56 · 13/01/2017 12:22

"drawn in" typo

Footle · 13/01/2017 12:24

You have his reply. Believe me when I say I know how hard this is, but try to leave it at that.

Fidelia · 13/01/2017 12:26

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Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 12:29

He does genuinely have a job - he's represented on the organisation's websites etc.

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Mix56 · 13/01/2017 12:29

send message & say "you need to call me, & phone number", if it's the XW this will be impossible

Mix56 · 13/01/2017 12:30

he says he needs help paying to get to work. then he will be OK?
so the offer of the transport card should sort it !!!!!!!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/01/2017 12:31

I have time available end of the month I'd like to see you Which will be put off repeatedly and simply not happen

The help you've given me in the past really really sorted me out Well obviously not or he wouldn't keep on and on asking

and I was hoping for the same sort of financial help Yes, naturally - after all it's always worked in the past hasn't it?

I really don't know how much more obvious he can make it that all he wants is for his cash cow to keep going ... truly sorry but I'm afraid I wouldn't be replying at all, unless it was one sentence along the lines of "you're welcome to a proper meet up / discussion / advice, but nothing else and certainly no more money"

Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:31

Or this is just the way he's learnt to deal with people. Obnoxiously.

It might even be that money serves as a substitute for actual love or relationships in his crazy family. It's all very fucked up, whatever it's all about. No reason for the Dad to lie down in the road and invite more of the same.

TheWitTank · 13/01/2017 12:32

Yes actually thats a great idea - like Mix56 says, short message of please call me to discuss.

Thinkingblonde · 13/01/2017 12:33

Where's his real dad in all of this?

Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:34

"Real" is a dodgy word when someone else took over the "real" parenting as early as the toddler years.

Megatherium · 13/01/2017 12:35

The suggestion that he won't have time to get together for two weeks is just bizarre. If he had time for those driving lessons he was cadging money for, he's got time to meet the man he wants a massive favour off.

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 12:35

His real dad hasn't been on the scene since he was a babe in arms - ExW did the whole contact blocking thing with him as well.

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Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:37

What kind of geographical distances are involved OP? Does meeting up involve a quick bus ride or a train to the next town or...?

EatsShitAndLeaves · 13/01/2017 12:38

I think your response is fine OP, but personally I'd be tempted to simply condense it to:

"I've offered my help and you know where I am. I'll look forward to seeing you later this month when we can discuss the matter properly"

I don't think you really need to talk about the relationship - because he's made clear he doesn't want one.

If his circumstances were that bad, he'd be coming round to ask for advice today.

He just wants money - that's it.

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 12:39

About an hour - DS would say that he can't get to us without car (to be fair, it genuinely isn't easy without a car, but is possible). OH would be happy to go to him.

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Yoarchie · 13/01/2017 12:40

Your OH has been more than fair. What a shame the ds is not going to accept the advice.

Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:43

Well maybe make the offer to go to him explicit in that message then (?)

I'm thinking more of your OH being able to let go knowing he did literally everything he could to try now, but I suppose there's a small chance of reaching the rude little sod still.

RogueStar01 · 13/01/2017 12:43

I still have a lingering doubt about how you can really be sure it's your DS doing this, if you know where your DS works, would it be possible to wait for him to come out of work one day to establish at least from his reaction if it is him sending the messages? Or is this a crazy stalker-ish idea?

Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:45

Or his mother pressuring him to write them rogue? It's just so toweringly cheeky to donto someone you haven't seen since you were 12z

LagunaBubbles · 13/01/2017 12:46

I feel really sad for your DH Bitten, I hope he doesnt send money but this sounds awful.

RogueStar01 · 13/01/2017 12:48

yes it implies a towering amount of disregard for DP's feelings, the sort of thing you might expect from an ex, not a DS, that at 22 he's already learned to treat people in such a messed up, horrendous way.

DartmoorDoughnut · 13/01/2017 12:50

Your poor OH Sad