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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 12:56

OH seems to be focusing on the "I don't expect you to pay my debts for me" comment, as opposed to the rather more telling "as soon I have time available" and "I was hoping for the same sort of financial help" parts.

I'll show him the thread tonight and the great big collective hell nooooooo from the Mumsnet jury.

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Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:59

He needs time to process it, poor man.

EssentialHummus · 13/01/2017 13:04

OP I know this is going to sound a bit off the wall and irrelevant to your immediate dilemma, and I'm also not clear on whether your DH has other DC, but I wonder if time would allow whether he might want to find an organisation that matches adults with teens for mentoring or similar? He sounds like he has a lot to give and there are a lot of youngsters out there who'd love a bit of guidance and support from someone like him.

As to the current issue, I think a short reply is enough. "I won't be extending any more financial help to you. If you want a hand talking through things, making a repayment plan, getting in touch with creditors or any other practical help to see you through this, you are always welcome to get in touch with me."

Fidelia · 13/01/2017 13:05

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Roussette · 13/01/2017 13:11

Your poor OH, this will probably hit hard because I know you said OP upthread that he's a lovely lad etc etc but really... is he? All these years and your OH has tried so hard to meet and he's been thwarted at every turn. That is really not nice at all.

I hope he stands firm.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 13/01/2017 13:13

Has your oh even had a phone call from him since he's been paying all this money? Or has it all been over email?

Just even the form of communication is so impersonal...he really is only after the money

Your poor OH Sad

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 13:13

No other children, no - it's something he always wanted, but the one time ExW did become pregnant she had an abortion and only told him after.

I have always been clear that I don't want children, and while I am 35 he is 55 - realistically it is not going to ever happen.

We do have a cat that is completely loved and adored (by OH most of all!) though!

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notapizzaeater · 13/01/2017 13:14

What an emotional rollercoaster your DH is on :-(

RogueStar01 · 13/01/2017 13:15

yeah even I don't have any doubt that if this is DS, he's not a major scammer. Of course why he's like that, that's a different question. I think the mentoring other teens is a nice idea. It'd take me a while to process too, it's hard to give up on hope when it comes to your family.

Fluffycloudland77 · 13/01/2017 13:21

It might not have been his child though.

I would leave it at that TBH, relationships are a two way street.

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 13:28

No phone call ever, no.

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Ellisandra · 13/01/2017 13:37

Don't bother crafting responses detailed responses.
I think he should ignore it now.
Or a cheery "end of the month fine for me Mon, Tue, Thu all good - Wed tricker but could meet later. X Pub? Let me know when suits".

Then wait.

Except there's a chance you'll keep a scrounging "relationship" going.

I'm sorry to be so harsh. There's no manners, no apology, no please...

And even if these two were having a pint every Friday together and liked each other - I would STILL say that the way to help a grown working adult with negligible living costs is not by giving him enough to pay off a minimum payment on a credit card for the latest crisis.

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/01/2017 13:40

"as soon I have time available end of the month I'd like to see you."
The little asshat has had FOUR YEARS to see your husband, and hasn't managed so much as a phonecall in all that time Sad Angry Sad.

I fear the apple has not fallen far from the tree (his mother).

((hugs)) to your husband Bittornhelp, he does not deserve this.

Ellisandra · 13/01/2017 13:42

Love, by the way, his repeated use of the words "financial help" and "financial support".

Nice attempt to make it sound less like "send me money" Confused

ChicRock · 13/01/2017 13:56

Disabuse yourself of the notion that this man is essentially a "nice lad" dealt a bad hand in life with his crazy mum.

He's a con artist, milking your DH for all he can get.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 13/01/2017 14:17

I like Ellisandra's approach "Ok how about Monday 30th at X pub, let me know if you need a lift"

That should flush him out!

Aftertheraincomesthesun · 13/01/2017 14:32

What a lovely DH you have OP. He's a good man.

stella23 · 13/01/2017 14:35

Op, your dh needs to realise that the ds he helped to bring up is no longer around, he grown up and changed. He's never going to get the relationship he wants because ds sees your dh as s cash cow, nothing more. He'd be better if ignoring the emails it will cause him less heart ache

krustykittens · 13/01/2017 14:39

This boy is not a nice young man at all, he's a nasty, manipulative litttle shit, talking advantage of your DH's love for him and anguish at being denied contact to squeeze money from him. He is a con artist - "I'd love to meet up at the end of the month but if you pay one bill for me tonight it will sort my life out" but what makes me very suspicious is the lack of face to face contact. A good con artist will always do just enough to keep a mark happy and handing over cash. If a pint once every six months would keep the money flowing, he would do it. The fact that he won't makes me suspicious that this is his ex contacting him, not her son, as others have pointed out.

RogueStar01 · 13/01/2017 14:49

i agree, he's the world's laziest con artist if it is him!

Guadalupe · 13/01/2017 14:52

This is very sad. Your DH must feel terrible.

I agree with others who have said to reply with a short and direct response now. Something along the lines of repeating the offer of advice/guidance IF he wants to meet up but no more 'financial help' (hard cold cash).

Ellisandra · 13/01/2017 14:58

As Krusty says - just pay my bill tonight.

Gosh, how very coincidental that the bill must be paid tonight.

What, cos this guy has a perfect credit score and this first late payment will wreck it?

You really think that payment is due today?

I'd be a bitch now - I would ask to see a photo on that due date. Because it is big hairy bollocks.

I might reply "OMG! Tonight! I had no idea you needed the help NOW. i don't have my online banking working at the moment - locked myself out yesterday - send me the phone number and account details and I'll meet you in to call them with you to pay the minimum."

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HiggeldyPiggeldy · 13/01/2017 15:07

your poor DH he sounds so lovely, I cant imagine how sad and hurt he must be feeling. I hope he says no now because saying yes will only drag this horrible situation on

liletsthepink · 13/01/2017 15:18

That boy is an expert in emotional manipulation. His messages have it all, threat of being homeless, bill that needs paying right now, not being able to get to work, having a breakdown. He's good at this game!

My DH has faced similar situations from his ex and DC so you have my sympathy because it horrible to realise that you have helped to raise nasty people. Once you start saying no and sticking to it, you will stop feeling guilty especially if you get verbal abuse or complete silence in return.

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