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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
Suzytwoshoes · 12/01/2017 21:28

I think you need to make it clearer it is advice you are offering, not money!

sonjadog · 12/01/2017 21:46

Yep. It sounds like you are offering money.

MarciaBlaine · 12/01/2017 21:55

Agree that it sounds like money might be on the cards, and heck, a face to face sob sorry might have your dh reaching for his cheque book as he really sounds lovely and wants to do the right thing. I would be much clearer that no cash is forthcoming. Though as I said before, I would be deleting the email personally.

duckwalk · 12/01/2017 22:01

Haven't rtft, have read up until the 2nd draft of your letter. It's much better. The first one took too many opportunities to take a swipe at exw, and although her own financial issues may or may not be behind this, you have to put that to one side. I'm another one who says no money, financial advice at most. Criticism of his mum would probably make him back off and ending up in a bigger mess. 2nd letter sounds great.

Ellisandra · 12/01/2017 22:11

Be careful.
Up til now he had money for zero effort.
He may see now that he has to reluctantly put effort in to get the money from the piggy bank.
How is your poor husband going to feel if he does meet a few times, and then realises it's only for money?
Come on four YEARS and he hasn't seen him?

The other thing... look, sometimes kids that age are just self centred, selfish and yes, a bit money grabbing. And they grow out of it. But sometimes, they're just not nice people. Now your OH sounds like he'd hate to read that, he sounds lovely. But this young man doesn't sound very nice. So he hands around with his family and plays sport? Yes. He also goes to your OH for handouts and plays him. How will he feel if he meets him and simply doesn't like the man he's grown into?

I'd leave this one well alone..

JustSpeakSense · 12/01/2017 22:41

Excellent email, I really hope you get the response you deserve. I think, though, that it is just the money he is after and not a relationship. You and your DH sound like good people and you deserve better. At least this latest plea for financial help has given you the chance to find out once and for all this young mans motives.

I'm sure he's not a bad person, just immature and selfish, he doesn't sound like he's had the best role model in his mother. Perhaps in the future, he will turn to your DH for the right reasons.

JustSpeakSense · 12/01/2017 22:44

Agree you should perhaps make it a bit clearer that there is no money on offer only advice and support.

And I also agree that it's good you've taken exW and her money troubles out of the email.

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 11:47

Here's the reply - essentially, "No thanks, money please".

^Thank you for a quick reply. I completely understand and as soon I have time available end of the month I'd like to see you.

I wasn't wanting you to pay off all my debts, that's my responsibility just got a student credit card minimum amount to pay off by tonight otherwise I'm pretty much screwed on top of being able to afford to get to my jobs. The help you've given me in the past really really sorted me out and I was hoping for the same sort of financial help. No one else to ask and it'll get me sorted for the rest of the year, just need to be able to pay for transport to get to jobs.^

OP posts:
RogueStar01 · 13/01/2017 11:51

this isn't much better than a scam email. I have to get this money right now...depressing, i'm not sure how I'd reply to this op. Actually I'd reply 'why would you expect financial help from someone you won't prioritize having an actual relationship with'?

Manumission · 13/01/2017 11:53

I hope he's not going to pay.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 13/01/2017 11:54

Yy. It totally reads like a scam email. So sorry. I know your DH was hoping for more

I would have to walk away at this point

EssentialHummus · 13/01/2017 11:55

Reiterate that you/he can't help but would love to meet when DS can. Your poor DH.

Manumission · 13/01/2017 11:55

It's worse than a scam email. He's not even dressing it up. Let's hope he's not been permanently ruined.

Otherpeoplesteens · 13/01/2017 12:00

'why would you expect financial help from someone you won't prioritize having an actual relationship with'?

This.

Your email inviting him to meet smoked him out, just as intended. If he's that desperate he could make the time to come and see his stepdad, not fob you off with the promise of something at the end of the month.

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 13/01/2017 12:02

Expected but still horrible. I think you should prioritize protection your poor husband's heart in this situation.

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 12:04

Agree fully - this is the initial response based on previous contributions. Any thoughts please...?

Dear DS,

I was afraid this might be your response.

After my last contribution towards driving lessons, I’d decided to decline any further requests for financial assistance, now that you are a working adult. I had been helping you financially for the last several years in the hope of building a relationship with you, and am disappointed that the extent of this has simply been financial and never actually meeting and building a father-son or any other type of connection.

As mentioned, I can help you sort out this debt situation on a practical level, as I know how to deal with the right agencies and say the right things - if done right, this can be managed in a way to get yourself debt-free in 12 months. In your last email, you said you were on the verge of a breakdown - I'd have thought if things were really that bad, you'd want to prioritise a meet-up and getting practical help as soon as possible, rather than asking for money and saying you'd be prepared to see me only when you have time available.

I would be more than happy to meet up soon, both to get to know you again and help you sort all this out financially - but I can't continue a dynamic of being repeatedly asked for money with no prospect of any kind of relationship going forward.

Love,

Dad

OP posts:
Manumission · 13/01/2017 12:05

Yes that's good. Straightforward, honest but not uncaring.

TheWitTank · 13/01/2017 12:06

Awful. He is literally seen as a cash machine isn't he. I would say that I hadn't got spare money to offer and good luck in the future. He won't meet up-no way. As soon as he realises the cash requests won't be met you won't hear from him again.

Otherpeoplesteens · 13/01/2017 12:06

Good response Bittorn but don't mention debt-free in 12 months if you don't know the full extent of the debt. You might be over-promising and you need to stay whiter-than-white in this.

JaniceBattersby · 13/01/2017 12:06

Christ, that's an awful response. "Yeah, yeah, whatevs to the relationship. Now give me some money."

Your poor DH Sad

mirokarikovo · 13/01/2017 12:07

Yes unfortunately it seems that DS is only interested in your OH as a cash cow.

Dear DS

I know that you feel that me giving you money would help, but I know from experience that it wouldn't. I can genuinely help you to become financially stable if you'll let me but giving you money just prolongs the time you have to live in financial chaos. You said previously "I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown" - a contribution to today's minimum payment is not a solution and would not help in the long run as the overall chaos would remain.

I will always be happy to help when you are ready to tackle the big picture and get things under control.

Love
Dad

NathanBarleyrocks · 13/01/2017 12:07

As soon as he realises the cash requests won't be met you won't hear from him again

Sadly I think that this is spot on. I really feel for your husband. He was trying to do a good thing & this is how he is 'repaid'.

JaniceBattersby · 13/01/2017 12:07

Sorry, x-post. The son's response was awful, not yours Flowers

TheWitTank · 13/01/2017 12:09

Good message. Tell him to contact Stepchange who can help him with finanical management plans etc. It's really sad, but your DH will never have a relationship with him now (certainly not a healthy one) and it might be time to accept this and close that chapter.

RogueStar01 · 13/01/2017 12:14

that's a good message bit, sorry it's turned out this way, at least you and your DP have done your absolute best to turn him around and have nothing to reproach yourselves for.