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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

732 replies

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
WhereYouLeftIt · 12/01/2017 18:35

So in four years, all contact with this young man has been via e-mail? Your DH is being played.

The e-mail you plan to send is good. But when/if he responds, please keep in mind - he is playing you. And he has learned how to at the knee of an acknowledged manipulative woman. He's had practice. Beware.

Ellisandra · 12/01/2017 18:39

No sympathy for the suggestion that he's really stuck about meeting your OH because of his mother and sister.

Why?

Because there's no please in his latest demand.

He is totally taking the piss.

I absolutely agree with a PP who said "too much via email - we'd need to meet".

Four YEARS he's taken money off your OH. And hasn't been interested in seeing him.

I understand that your OH is really attached to him, and saw him as a son after nearly 10 years.

Anecdote, but my friend split up with her husband when her son (not his) was 10. He'd been a very involved and seemingly loved dad for 5 years. He wanted to still see him - mum said OK. Son surprised her by saying "but he's not actually my dad... I'm not bothered".
I'm sorry to be so harsh, but this boy may never have cared about your OH the way he does about the boy. Add in 10 years, growing up, a mum being negative about him...

On balance, I suspect this young man doesn't care at all and is after the cash.

I mean come on - he works full time and is living with his mum's friend - so his outgoings must be pretty low!!

Waltermittythesequel · 12/01/2017 18:39

Sounds like he's totally playing your poor dh.

He's not interested in a relationship, by the sounds of it.

Your dh isn't his dad at the end of the day, and the 'son' clearly doesn't view him as one.

I would make it very clear that you're not providing financial support in the email. I have a feeling offers of practical help will be rejected.

Purplebluebird · 12/01/2017 18:46

Meet up in person and give advice.

Offer to take him to CAB for debt advice.

Give gift card for Asda or Sainsbury's etc.

MarciaBlaine · 12/01/2017 18:53

If this was my dh I would pour him a large drink and encourage him to delete the mail and have no further contact. Some people are just shysters and will fake everything they can get. If he'd even seen him in all these years I might view it differently.

JustSpeakSense · 12/01/2017 18:54

I definitely think that no further money should be given, but the chance to meet and offer emotional support should be offered.

It is so difficult, but I believe your DH is being taken for a ride and if financial assistance dries up he will never hear from them again.

Cakeycakecake · 12/01/2017 19:07

Your poor dh.
My first thought was that it's the Mum not the son emailing and tapping him for cash playing on your husbands heartstrings. I can't say anything I've read makes me think otherwise.
I think your husband is a lovely man from what you've said- and yourself. I think you both need to take care of one another and walk away. My email back would be as follows:
Dear (sons name)
I'm sorry to hear of your troubles but I have been helping you financially for the last four years in the hope of building a relationship with you. I am sad that the extent of this has simply been financial and never actually meeting and building a father son relationship.
When I offered to help with driving lessons I was prepared to gift you a car. The car I would have taught you to drive in. I would have done so because my hope of knowing you properly was such that I'd have gone to great lengths.
However, your last email has me reeling. You send a request for cash without even saying please. You sent that with no intention of getting to know me, just my money.
There will be no more money from me. If you wish, I am happy to meet you to get to know you properly, but I will no longer be your financial support.
(Husbands name- NOT dad)

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 20:05

I have just been through every post on this thread with OH tonight - it's been massively helpful.

We will likely send out the below in the end:

Dear DS,

I’m truly sorry to hear that things are so bad at the moment.

I've thought long and hard about how to respond to your message, but in the end this is really far too important to discuss over email. The only way we can solve this is by discussing it face to face.

Clearly I can’t pay your debt off for you – however, I can help you resolve this situation and help get you on your feet again. I had to do it for myself once, but I can’t do it at a distance.

I look forward to hearing from you, and am always on hand for emotional support and practical advice if ever you need it.

Love,

Dad

OP posts:
Manumission · 12/01/2017 20:08

Perfect.

I hope it doesn't have a disappointing outcome.

DartmoorDoughnut · 12/01/2017 20:13

Spot on Flowers hope it all ends well for you all

RogueStar01 · 12/01/2017 20:15

fingers crossed here too.

BakeOffBiscuits · 12/01/2017 20:29

That's a brilliant email.

Good luck!

MrsBlennerhassett · 12/01/2017 20:33

perfect email OP! Hope it goes well. x

bonfireheart · 12/01/2017 20:35

You've extended the hand to him, so if he genuinely needs help he will take it.

Strokethefurrywall · 12/01/2017 20:40

I really do hope you & your DH get a positive response to that.

You both sound like very good eggs. Fingers crossed for you both Thanks

Whosthebestbabainalltheworld · 12/01/2017 20:46

I think I'd email him back with something like

"Son. I am really sorry to hear that things aren't going too well for you and you know I am always here to support you if I can. However, I don't have the financial resources I once had, so am not in a position right now to bail you and ExW out. That said, I really want to help if I can, so let's meet and see if there is some other help I can give. Dad

Whosthebestbabainalltheworld · 12/01/2017 20:46

Clearly I missed the bit aboveHmm

RentANDBills · 12/01/2017 20:57

Let us know how it goes, OP. FWIW, you both sound like lovely people

Enidblyton1 · 12/01/2017 21:04

Your response sounds perfect.

I'd be concerned about giving any more money unless your DH meets up with his son. And even then, it sounds like money should be offered for certain specific things rather than cash which could be frittered away by the exW.
Good luck!

Dutch1e · 12/01/2017 21:10

Yes! That redrafted email is spot on.

This DS is a bit of a scrounger (I have a similar DD so no judgement, I just know one when I see one), but generally if someone asks you for money you either say "yes" or "no." You don't pontificate for another 6 paragraphs.

This redrafted email is a clear "no" but includes all the support that a loving family member can offer in a clear and heartfelt way.

I doubt you'll get the reply you hope for. Still, if this lad grows up right he'll remember it as a lesson in how to be fair and kind.

Flowers and good luck, I feel for you all

MadMags · 12/01/2017 21:12

Hmm...I think it needs to be clearer that you don't mean financial help. If he wanted to misinterpret that, he easily could!

ImperialBlether · 12/01/2017 21:16

I agree - you need to be clearer that it's advice he can offer, not money. As it is, wanting to help can be interpreted as giving him cash.

CartwheelGirl · 12/01/2017 21:17

This last email is perfect. Initial version was lengthy and sounded a bit like lecture at times. This one is up to the point and doesn't dwell on ex's problems which although relevant shouldn't be the focus of this email.

EweAreHere · 12/01/2017 21:18

I think that's exactly the right tone to take. It will also likely give DH the answer he is looking for re how the young man really feels about it.

CartwheelGirl · 12/01/2017 21:20

Although I would replace the last sentence with something warmer like -

"Look, why don't we go out for a meal together (I'm paying) and see what can be done to get you back on track?"