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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
LazyDailyMailJournos · 28/06/2017 23:25

Puzzled I totally agree - and I really don't envy the OP being stuck in this situation. It's very frustrating when you want to just shake somebody and get them to come to their senses.

I don't know how the OP's DH is likely to react with the 'sharp shock' approach; by the sounds of it he is quite determined and dogged and may be one of these people who doesn't respond well to that tactic.

Puzzled does make a very good point OP, which is the impact on you - and if you haven't already done so then you need to have a talk with your DH and point out that it isn't just him who is being affected by all of this. Constantly waiting for the next begging email and seeing how your DH reacts, must be very stressful and unpleasant.

PrincessFiorimonde · 28/06/2017 23:46

If it were me, and I could afford to kiss £500 goodbye, I'd give it to the DS - but only after a face-to-face meeting, and with your DH actually paying the money directly to a driving school, or for a course at a college, or whatever seems best.

I don't see why DH accepts that DS is blocking any suggestion about meeting up. If DS says he can't afford to travel for a meet-up - well then, either DH gets in his car and drives up to see him (you say DS lives only an hour away), or DH buys him a train ticket to your town.

I wish you and DH the best of luck in resolving this Flowers

Tisgrand · 29/06/2017 01:48

OP have you checked him out on Facebook? Is your DH "friends" with his DSS on facebook? You'll get a good idea of what's going on in his life there, it might help your husband to make his mind up?

As others have said, his email wording is not really typical of the language used by a young man, it's very much from the "how to write a successful begging letter" school of letter writing.

provider5sectorzz9 · 29/06/2017 01:49

this lad has a career

as a blagger, I wonder how many other 'marks' he's running

provider5sectorzz9 · 29/06/2017 01:49

could his e-mail have been hacked by scammers?

kateandme · 29/06/2017 05:29

he can be a good lad and still not want to see dad and still the proceed to beg for money in desperation.but this still doesn't make it the right things to do to you guys.
I don't agreew tih what hes doing and don't see hmi being more friendly because of it.i just see a lad in need and will go to anyone he can for it(again doesn't mean he Is horrid just desperate poor lad)
but itsnot fair to put this on you dh again because there will come a poijt of resentment or you just wont have the funds!or no relationship back from it.
and I find this really hard because hes the son so how can you refuse someone you love.
yet I try to think of it is son was living with you in normal home relationship (or it was me and my parents) and I think there would too become a time they wouldn't be able to give more.after all he has given some... and would simply have to say no.of course he could still provide talking support,go to banks,welfare etc.
but cash.more cash.when does it stop.
so what would you dh and you do if there was no guilt surrounding being there fr him and he was jut one of ur at home now.
how would you be there.
again really hard because family is family and youll fight till the death to protct them.
sorry not much help.
whatever you do make sure you and ur man are tlking and there for eacohter.you both need support in this too.it must be really hard.so hold eacohter tight.keep talking.xx

kateandme · 29/06/2017 05:32

ps ur dh sounds great and I only keep everything crossed that he can get his wish of having a relationship and a meaningful one with his dss.what you've done is fantastic for them.

userinterface34 · 29/06/2017 06:01

Has this been going on since January as it seems that is when the thread started? Unless my phone is playing up? Still no meet up? I think I'd want to meet the person I called dad if only for the questions as to why there has been no contact? Curiosity would get the better of me... and surely if he isn't working full time he can find the time for a meet up? What can he be doing with his time so much that he can't meet up with his estranged 'dad'? Very bizarre!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 29/06/2017 06:26

I think short emails - can we meet to discuss? - are the way to go. Don't engage with any details.

LondonNicki · 29/06/2017 07:06

Absolutely no more money. It's a real shame he didn't make the most of the expensive private education. Is he training or qualified in something that he can build a career on? I think the advice your OH can give him would be the best gift but should be face to face to ensure the boy takes it on board and appreciates it.

LellyMcKelly · 29/06/2017 07:18

If there has been no meet up after all this time, can you be sure it's the DS and not his mother pulling a scam? He may know nothing about it.

Embarrassedatsoftplay · 29/06/2017 07:44

OP, I think you're lovely and I've lurked on your thread twice now and just wanted to add my tuppence, although it's not much to add to the amazing responses you've had here.

My DB treated my Dad like this too. With the "promise"/hope of a relationship, my Dad, the most generous person I know, cleared £7k of his debt. My DB does very little to maintain that relationship, promises of meet-ups and doesn't show up with kids or grandkids etc, unreliable and most likely back in debt again.

He had a good start in life, opportunities to get qualifications etc and moved away from that. My parents are very hesitant to give him financial assistance.

I got myself in a lot of debt and I have been stupid poor living in London. My parent would be generous from time to time - shamefully on my part they didn't know the full extent of my debt - with bridge help when moving or a bit here and there, but these were MY mistakes I had to handle and work my way out of. 22 is old enough to organise work and I took whatever jobs I could do and I have 2 months to go to be debt free.

Your OH needs to think of DSS as an adult who can stand on his own two feet and try to put his own personal feelings aside: be kind, offer help, offer for him to come over for dinner but make it clear there will be no financial help without full deliberation and never will any substantial amount of cash go into his account. If he rejects that, your OH knows where he stands.

NoSquirrels · 29/06/2017 07:54

Yes, then get your DH to go with short reply:

Thanks for your email. Give me a ring to discuss - number is .

Then do nothing more without a phone call from SS.

Hortonlovesahoo · 29/06/2017 08:10

OP: I've just read a few of the first pages of this post again. Your DH is optimistically deluded if he thinks his DS will change or get in touch for a relationship. He's only after the money.

I really feel for the position that it's put you in and what you must be feeling right now as this is also affecting the happiness of you both.

Is your DH still going for the offering him to drive? (even though he's already had money off you in the past for lessons). Also, where is the DD in this? She's a single mum but not asking for any form of support? Or does he have a relationship with her?

GinSwigmore · 29/06/2017 08:19

God.
That latest email just has the whiff off "I'm not lying. Honest!" about it. It might as well have "Trust me!" as its title. Sounds like spam mail, it really does. Have only read the latest missive but six months on from last time, nothing seems to have changed. So why fall for it all over again?

Anatidae · 29/06/2017 08:37

Without meeting face to face, you can't be sure it's him. That alone should be sending your poor Dh a message.

He sounds (your dh) like a decent guy. But he's being played here. Do nothing without meeting face to face.

Bittornhelp · 29/06/2017 09:13

Morning all,

I was reading the thread overnight - had a bit of a sleepless one for all the obvious reasons...

OH is agreed that a face-to-face meeting and a frank discussion about finances would be an absolute prerequisite of any kind of financial help, though honestly I cannot see that ever happening - it hasn't so far. And as many people have pointed out, we can't know for sure it's even him - certainly the last email read very differently from his usual "voice". Still no "please" though!

I've stalked him checked out his Facebook, yes - it's all about the sports, but gives little away as to his mindset or day-to-day life. DSD has had no contact with OH - AFAIK she is a single mum recently returned to work.

Right now I am massively pissed off at OH at moment for failing to face up to what is so patently obvious to the rest off us and being unwilling to draw the line that is so clearly needed here - but on the other hand, I appreciate it must be very hard to do.

I am sorely tempted to answer on his behalf (I've a few choice words picked out!) - but know that it has to be his choice. If it came to it, I would though - it pisses me right off to see him manipulated like this.

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Hissy · 29/06/2017 09:21

Seeing something you really don't want to see, when it means that someone you care about really doesn't care about you, and never has done is hard. it's so painful.

The worse thing about this is, your H has shown his hand by saying how much it would mean to have a relationship and how much he cares, and this guy/his mother are using that as the ultimate weapon to get money.

He needs to say that there needs to be a face to face and only advice will be forthcoming.

The guy won't respond, and your H will have his answer

Basically, your H needs to block him.

Roomster101 · 29/06/2017 09:34

I wouldn't be pissed off with your DH. He loved the child he remembered and it will be really hard to let go. He will inevitably want to give DSD every last chance before cutting ties so that he will be 100% sure that it is the right thing to do. If he cuts ties before he reaches this stage he may always wonder if he could have done more.

WhollyFather · 29/06/2017 09:36

The pattern is clear. The pleas for money, accompanied by heart-rending tales of hardship, dashed hopes and impending disaster, will continue until either (a) OH stops replying, or (b) OH's money runs out. There will be no face-to-face meeting.

His choice.

JamRock · 29/06/2017 10:18

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/06/2017 10:46

Right now I am massively pissed off at OH at moment for failing to face up to what is so patently obvious to the rest off us

Frankly I can't blame you. I think we all agree that this is very hard for your poor DH, but he's an experienced adult, not a helpless bystander; he can act if he chooses to, and it's not as if this is a sudden upset in a previously loving relationship ... he's not seen him for years and DSS clearly doesn't intend to alter that

It's very fortunate that DH agrees nothing should be done without meeting DSS, and this brings into play what are probably the best suggestions made so far: engage in nothing and simply send a one-liner asking when he wishes to meet to discuss it

This would save you both a great deal of angst in wondering if you've said the right thing, and hopefully might finally prove to DH exactly what's happening here. If DH does this but still muses about "I suppose I ought to / could have ..." then I'm afraid I'd insist he consider what this is doing to those who really do love him. I honestly don't mean to be harsh, but as I've said this isn't just affecting him any more

Zaphodsotherhead · 29/06/2017 11:46

I'm not sure why your OH thinks that DSS would accept him teaching him to drive, when his mother teaching him would result in 'bad habits'. Why would he think that would be agreeable?

Your OH is clutching at straws, as a PP said. He doesn't want to face the fact that his boy that he raised and gave every opportunity to (private schooling fgs!) has turned into such a layabout chancer.

NoSquirrels · 29/06/2017 12:46

I do truly think short email offering a phone call is the way to go here. Then your DH hasn't said no, hasn't opened up any further about the emotional side of things, hasn't done anything other than offer a chance to discuss it.

Thanks for you email, SS. Sounds tough- let's discuss. My number is:

SS then has the ball in his court. Does he call and hope he can persuade your DH to pay out. Or does he give up? Either way there will be some resolution.

pinkyredrose · 29/06/2017 20:04

Hope you're ok OP. Did OH decide the best way forward?

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