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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

732 replies

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
NewDayDawning · 28/06/2017 14:33

Dear x
Thank you for your email, I am not sure I am in a position to help you in the way you hoped, however, I would like to meet with you so we can discuss this in person and I can get a better understanding or how I can help you.
I will be available to meet with you at On I am looking forward to seeing you then.
Dad

Florene · 28/06/2017 14:36

Do you have a mobile number for him? If so, your husband shoukd give him a call to arrange to meet up to discuss his finances.

If not, ask him for it so your husband can call him to discuss his finances.

You will soon find out if it's really him and not the ex wife.

And if he refuses to give it, then your husband knows there is and never will be a relationship between them.

QuiteLikely5 · 28/06/2017 14:36

This 'child' is now a man. Please tell your dh to walk away.

There really is nothing healthy to be gained by either side.

Look forward - not back

Hissy · 28/06/2017 14:36

it's too much evidence, he's (she's) over-egged it. He can get himself a job now and tide himself over until Sept

he has no rent to pay, if he is genuinely that hard up, he can get income support.

I think your instict here is the main driver, if you think you are being conned, you probably are.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 28/06/2017 14:42

I think that's a good letter. Sets out very firmly you're not a cash cow. (But also you're prepared to help set budgets etc)

Really hope it is the end of it now op! X

Bambamrubblesmum · 28/06/2017 14:43

How about you push the meet up even further.

I will drive down and meet you on Saturday at X so we can discuss this face-to-face.

That way he can squirm about not being able to get to you. Ball is then in his court.

If he comes back with I'm not available or just send me the money then you know where you stand.

juneau · 28/06/2017 14:51

Nah - I wouldn't push the meeting up. This MAN (let's call him what he really is), isn't interested in meeting up. I think the letter you've written OP is good. My only criticism really is that by engaging with him in this way you're encouraging an ongoing dialogue and I have no doubt he'll be getting in touch again to further wheedle, whine and cajole you. His tactics are out of a Nigerian fraudster's handbook and those guys don't give up easily either!

YouWouldntLetItLie · 28/06/2017 14:59

You've missed out the word 'interested' (or 'bothered to' or 'arsed about') in the third para?

I think your DH also needs to have a good think about what he really wants from his DSS. As other PPs have said, there's a very poignant note of longing for a relationship that can probably never be resurrected the way it was - and by almost dangling the money as a carrot against contact it just opens your DH up to more hurt when it's inevitably exploited. I can imagine that being twisted by the ex as proof of emotional blackmail, etc.

Financial guidance and advice is definitely the best help he can give, and if this lad's too selfish/misguided/dim to see that, then any money you offer is just going down a black hole.

crochetmonkey69 · 28/06/2017 15:02

I think I am a bit harsh maybe but I think there's still wiggle room here for the DSS to get a foot in the door.
I think your DH needs to say something like
Dear x
Thank you for your email, I am not in a position to help you in the way you hoped for but can offer advice in person about debt management if that would be helpful.
Hope all goes well with job search/college/etc etc
I'll leave it to you to contact me if you want to meet up for advice.
all the best
Dad

I think by engaging and entering into discussions of cars and jobs and driving lessons and the relationship, it's inviting the emails to go on and on back and forth. You are allowing him little 'ins' to keep putting the sob story on.
Something that clear is not rude, it is matter of fact and sets the standard of how your DH is willing to be treated from now on.
I have dealt with a very manipulative person before and the one mantra that kept me focused when I finally extricated myself was 'you teach people how to treat you'
it was hard but that idea did serve me well.
Your DH is not going to get a meaningful relationship here- it has already been soured by the constant asking for money- try to help him put barriers up and get out of this healthily

blackcherries · 28/06/2017 15:04

agree with previous posters - short and to the point is better, like crochetmonkey 's

Reow · 28/06/2017 15:04

I think go with the one Lazy wrote. It covers everything.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 15:07

The draft's okay, but personally I'd lose "sorry you're struggling" and "thrilled when you got back in touch" as it sounds far too supplicatory - needy, even

A lot of the content also invites the reply "nooooo, I didn't mean it like that at all ... now, about the money ..." but of course it has to be yours and DH's decision

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 15:10

I think by engaging and entering into discussions of cars and jobs and driving lessons and the relationship, it's inviting the emails to go on and on back and forth. You are allowing him little 'ins' to keep putting the sob story on

Exactly Sad

PurpleDragon76 · 28/06/2017 15:19

His last message in particular sounds like he has sat with someone and worked on it. Your OH sounds so nice and I am sorry he is being financially hit on. I do think though that at some point he needs to wake up to the reality. Maybe a message that says a meeting before anything else is discussed, if he doesn't have a job then he has the free time.

Theresnonamesleft · 28/06/2017 15:27

I wouldn't send that.
Why are you asking about driving lessons, he's already had them?

I would email back
Dear X
After contemplating your latest email and looking at our household finances although I cannot give funds, I can invest in you in other ways.
What I am suggesting is I come and pick you up and you can easily find work in this area in pubs, supermarkets etc. You work here until you return to your current job in September and by paying minimal rent to cover your costs, this will allow you to save up to give yourself a future buffer.
Whilst here, Ivan also give you any emotional support you may need to track down your bio dad.

Love x

WhollyFather · 28/06/2017 15:57

I am also very suspicious that it could be the mother masquerading as the son.

I'm almost certain of it.

Hissy · 28/06/2017 16:00

I'd lose the whole para that starts 'realistically'

No ref to cars, driving or anything, all he's giving are excuses as to what he needs money for.

He's not wanting a relationship of any kind and despite attempts in the past to raise this subject, this man is deliberately side stepping the issue.

Hissy · 28/06/2017 16:01

His ONLY plan in life is to fund his whims from your dh wallet.

SabineUndine · 28/06/2017 16:01

I would offer advice, but not money. Money will only go the same way that all the rest has.

NoncommittalToSparkleMotion · 28/06/2017 16:31

Just read the full thread. What a tough situation, OP!

I think your OH's response is good. This young man is trying to milk him for all he's worth, so he's got to stand firm.

You said you saw his Facebook profile? I can guarantee you his email and Facebook would tell two different stories.

And what's really puzzling is, after all this, he STILL won't meet up. Surely if he did, even for an hour, he'd be able to get something more out of your OH?

Also, if he's not working, he has time to meet up. Especially on someone else's dime.

Anything after this last response should be ignored.

RoseTico · 28/06/2017 16:33

How about no responses? The man clearly sees your partner as a walking piggybank. You've wasted too much energy on this.

Madonna9 · 28/06/2017 16:39

Maybe say he's always welcome to come over for dinner if he's hungry and maybe spend some nights at your place?
That way you don't give him money but also don't totally leave him on his own.

Roomster101 · 28/06/2017 16:50

I also think the fact that he won't meet up with your DH is suspicious. The relative that has tried to con us out of money in the past is aways happy to visit or meet up for meals etc as obviously, that makes it easier to sponge.

Butterymuffin · 28/06/2017 16:55

Make it a very short email asking to meet up to talk about it all. If he won't meet face to face, it gets no further.

ThomasRichard · 28/06/2017 17:08

I'm sorry OP, I think your DH needs to give up trying to meet up with this young man who clearly isn't interested. Your email or crochetmonkey's is just fine.