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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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ILookedintheWater · 28/06/2017 13:42

Not commenting on your OH's step-son's behaviour, and have no idea whether or not he should give the man more money, but I do have a little insight into sports coaching/condition coaching for minor professional/semi professional clubs.
Being a coach for a small professional team (not football), even with a great reputation, does not pay a living wage. Unless you can get to top flight these jobs are oversubscribed and very poorly paid. Pinning all his hopes on this career is very likely to end in disappointment: there are more sportsmen than there are coaches and as many people wanting to coach as there are people who want to be sportsmen, or sports science graduates. He needs to get a bar/shop/McDonalds job to supplement his income before he does anything else.

Hissy · 28/06/2017 13:42

I agree, Lazy's response would flush out some kind of response.

MaybeDoctor · 28/06/2017 13:42

I don't know, tbh - I keep coming back to the fact that he has no secure place to live...:(

They could both be chucked out on a whim. This is quite different to a young person who has a secure home and supportive family. Perhaps the reason why he doesn't want to go for the minimum wage type jobs is that he wants to aim a bit higher as he knows that is the only way he can be independent and self-supporting in the longer term? His mum sounds awful, but he has stuck by her. He has also completed his education, which is something.

hollyisalovelyname · 28/06/2017 13:45

Are you living nearby?
I would have to investigate to see if what I was being told was the truth. Your 'dss' could be spinning a crock of s*it just to get money. Or his mother could be.
The email you composed is very good.
I was going to say leave out the implied criticism of exw. But now I think don't. No need to pussyfoot around. Tell it like it is.

juneau · 28/06/2017 13:48

I think this boy has you and your DP spot on - you ARE a soft touch - because you're contemplating falling for this complete crap! I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but neither of you owes him a penny. Your DP is his DM's ex from donkey's years ago and he's trying it on. Because your DP hasn't been firm enough in saying 'no' over the past six months it has just encouraged him to up the ante. From what you've said about his qualifications, living situation and location his communications don't make any sense. The bottom line is that unless you live in an inaccessible area and you have no transport there is always work available - bar work, building site work, cleaning jobs, you name it. If he's the 'hard working' lad he says he is (which I don't believe for a second as the only hard work he seems to be doing is attempting to hit you up for money), then he wouldn't be sitting on his arse crafting begging letters, he'd be out working. There is no 'investment' opportunity here. Come on, wake up! You give him money and you'll never see it again. What you will see is a never-ending chain of requests for further funds to supposedly help him to the next rung. Your DP doesn't know this boy at all now. Whatever little kid he knew and loved 20 years ago is now an adult - and a jolly manipulative one at that.

CookingDinner · 28/06/2017 13:49

Your OH should meet him in a friendly, public environment, like a café, and ask a lot of questions in a considerate way. First discuss how DS is, what is happening with the family (try to get lots of background info), ask whether the ExW has asked DS to approach him for money, what happened to the previous money, etc, and why his DS thinks they need to keep receiving financial help. OH needs to say that although he cares, he can't keep providing money as the DS is now an adult, and his ExW split and divided finances a long time ago. He needs to explain why it's not healthy to continue to provide help - because they need to find a way to become self-sufficient, to get themselves out of this recurring pattern.

Your DH should make a decision about whether to give any more money after having this conversation. It depends what DS says. I would either give no money, or give some money but make it clear that it is the last time he will provide financial support. He can make it clear that he wants to have a relationship with DS and see him regularly. If his son does not contact him again (particularly if money was given), then it shows that it was just a financial relationship.

Zoflorabore · 28/06/2017 13:49

Yeah I also get the impression from op that ds is looking to pursue a career with for example "Arsenal" and is stating that a driving license is the only thing stopping him.
If he wants to become a football coach then he is probably one of thousands of young people who do too, it may happen, who knows? But highly unlikely unless he has good contacts and reputation already and if he's only 22 that is debatable.

Ds needs something in the meantime as his dream job may never materialise, I think at the very least he needs to meet up with dh and try and forge some sort of relationship.

You sound like lovely people and it would be a shame if he were just taking advantage.
Incidentally, how has money been sent before if no personal contact? I'm presuming bank? That would have his name
On surely...

blackcherries · 28/06/2017 13:49

It's the fact that the boy hasn't engaged with or even acknowledged any of the points your DH has raised in the past - meeting up, the need to sort out the financial situation sensibly, cost of driving - just steamrollers ahead with the same repetitive request for money.

He is clearly not interested in any kind of dialogue or advice, which points to him being in no way genuine. Regardless of the rest of the situation, this is what stands out to me like a sore thumb.

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 28/06/2017 13:49

Lazy's message is beautifully written and exactly conveys what you and OH are thinking. However with its emphasis on the relationship (or lack of) I think it also tells the DS that he still has power over OH. It could almost be read as making OH sound needy: I really really want a relationship with you and if I get one you can have what you want.

How about -

DS, I have given you a lot of support in the past, and have already made significant financial investments to assist you in your future. However you are an adult and need to be taking responsibility for your financial position. On this and any further occasions I will not provide you with money. But if you feel that you would benefit from advice with budgeting or job seeking I would be very happy to support you in that way.

Andrewofgg · 28/06/2017 13:50

This young man has a profession. He is an emotional blackmailer.

Your OH should tell him that he would be happy to get together from time to time but he can offer no more financial support.

Inertia · 28/06/2017 13:53

I agree with posters above who have suggested inviting him round for dinner ( buy his train tickets etc) and offer to talk and go through his accounts with him.

You and DH both had help from close relatives. I wouldn't expect financial help from the ex-stepfather I last saw when I was 18, having had no relationship whatsoever with him in the meantime.

juneau · 28/06/2017 13:54

I wouldn't keep hammering the point of wanting to have a relationship as I think that leaves your lovely DH open to more emotional blackmail (harder face to face)

And this^. I think you need to cut off contact. It would be as your DP simple as blocking him as an email contact. Otherwise he is setting himself up for further emotional blackmail.

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 28/06/2017 13:54

Also while I fully get that posters are trying to be supportive with suggestions about other ways to earn money or to offer insights into his supposedly 'chosen career', the fact is that communication has only ever been through email and therefore nobody, including the OP, has the faintest idea how much of it if any is true, and how much of it is just the latest made up BS to try to extract money from the OH.

Hortonlovesahoo · 28/06/2017 13:55

TheDevil has a good response

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 14:00

It could almost be read as making OH sound needy: I really really want a relationship with you and if I get one you can have what you want

Exactly - and with someone so manipulative, it might even encourage promises of a future relationship if only DSF will send the money (something which, from the sound of it, he might find it hard to resist)

I'll ask again: doesn't DH deserve better than this?

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 14:05

Very good points

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RandomMess · 28/06/2017 14:10

I'd be tempted to dangle a carrot

"How about meeting up, I can send you a ticket to here or pick you up from home to discuss what financial needs you have and how any loan could be repaid"

Flashinthepan · 28/06/2017 14:11

How are you feeling about the suggestions OP? Does any of it make you feel better about being able to say 'no'/how to say 'no'.

blackcherries · 28/06/2017 14:11

and given that his last email doesn't actually ask for anything specific, how about a brief message like
"'I'm a little confused about what exactly it is you are asking for. I've explained what I can offer. Would you like to discuss that any further?"

JamRock · 28/06/2017 14:13

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AtHomeDadGlos · 28/06/2017 14:19

Dear DS,

Sorry to hear you can't afford the driving lessons, car etc.

Might I suggest you jog on?

Best,

not your Dad

Cloudyapples · 28/06/2017 14:22

Does you oh know where sa lives/works/how to find him? I'd be tempted to turn up on his door step and talk to him in person to make sure the facts given are correct re the living situation and that the emails are in fact coming from him.

Cloudyapples · 28/06/2017 14:22

Sorry - must read and spell check before posting !

*your
*ds

amicissimma · 28/06/2017 14:30

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Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 14:32

Ha to AtHome :)

My draft below:

^Dear DSS,

I'm sorry you're struggling at the moment - but I feel like I've already made my position on this very clear.

As you know I was thrilled when you got back in touch - I'd hoped that me helping and advising you would lead to us rebuilding some kind of relationship. I am and will always be on hand if you would like me to help you with debt reduction and financial management - however it has become clear that I only seem to hear from you when you need money.

Please have a good long think about my role in your life and how you view me. As you clearly are not in pursuing a relationship, then you need to understand that it is not appropriate for you to continue to contact me and ask for money - particularly in the amounts you are thinking of.

Realistically, if you don't have money for driving lessons, you won't have money for a decent car, or for petrol and expensive insurance premiums. I can only think you are planning on asking me to fund these for you. I realise sports is your passion, but as you are finding it's also a highly competitive field to break into - you ^will^ need a plan B and a part-time job to plug the income gaps and allow you to save up for the things you want and need.

I'll leave this with you to think about – but if it is really all about the bottom line, I’d prefer you didn’t contact me again.

Love, Dad x^

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