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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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bigchangesabound · 28/06/2017 13:08

Just read the thread.
Could you invite him round for dinner and suggest you discuss your 'investment' and terms for paying it back? Since if it was any other kind of loan you would want to see them face to face.

Hortonlovesahoo · 28/06/2017 13:09

I'd agree that no response is best but if you must then reiterate that you're not going to discuss this over email and will not be providing any financial support to him.

I think you need to have a strong message and not risk any leading him on with any possible hope that he'll get money

provider5sectorzz9 · 28/06/2017 13:09

Make it clear that there will be no help at all without regular face to face contact and that any help will come in the form of support or mentoring him, rather than handouts

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 13:09

Bittornhelp Can I just clarify something? You said back in January that DSS was working full time, so what happened to that job? More to he point, what did he do to help himself with the money he made from it?

ButtonMoonLoon · 28/06/2017 13:10

How can you be sure that its not the Ex wife sending the emails and not the son?

crochetmonkey69 · 28/06/2017 13:10

I wouldn't keep hammering the point of wanting to have a relationship as I think that leaves your lovely DH open to more emotional blackmail (harder face to face)
I think the relationship would have happened by now.
I would do broken record of "That's tough, like I said, if you need to meet face to face for some practical advice, I'll be there- as I am not able to give you any more money."
I have been in a similar(ish) situation where I was pushing for a family relationship in the hopes that would improve things but it made it worse as it was never fulfilling in the way I wanted it to be.

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 13:12

Puzzled that's what I thought, but his last message indicated not...

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BadgerFace · 28/06/2017 13:13

Wow, I have just read from the top of this thread with increasing disbelief! I am only echoing what others have said but it is very telling that he has not wanted to meet up with your DH despite his financial worries. If I was 22 and in significant debt I would be asking any financially savvy adult willing to listen about what I should do. He doesn't want to do this.

I think Lazy's e-mail is very good.

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 28/06/2017 13:13

This is flogging a dead horse. The son (if it is him even writing the emails) doesn't want to meet up. He hasn't once done it or suggested a time. The begging letter is well-written and suggests he or his mum has spent some time learning how to write this type of letter (it's almost formulaic).

I understand it's hard to let go of the picture of the small boy this once was, but for your husband's sanity, he should let it go.

There isn't going to be a reunion, a realization that it was wrong to beg off people you've never met, the money all paid back, the happy family. It's very sad, and I expect he feels a grief over it, but all this replying/holding out the hand/offering to meet is just pointless. If the son wanted a relationship, he'd write asking for that, not money!

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 13:13

Button, I can't. The last one in particular sounded like someone else.

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Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 13:14

Button, I can't. The last one in particular sounded like someone else.

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Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 28/06/2017 13:16

And- we know there's going to be no relationship as re-reading your OP, the son has been in touch and asked for money since age 17/18.

I feel very sorry for you both, you sound like lovely people, but honestly, you just have to stop. If the money, driving lessons, £1000 a year, private school haven't changed anything...

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 13:19

I wouldn't keep hammering the point of wanting to have a relationship as I think that leaves your lovely DH open to more emotional blackmail

I couldn't agree more; it also almost sounds like begging for DSS's company, which frankly I'd find a bit undignified

Bittornhelp so now it seems you may have been misled about his previous employment status too, if he was supposed to be in FT work and now somehow isn't? I mean this kindly, but in all honesty what's the point in continuing to engage with someone who was never DH's son in the first place, clearly doesn't want any kind of relationship with him now and isn't even prepared to be straightforward in his constant begging?

pinkyredrose · 28/06/2017 13:20

Ask him how he proposes to run and maintain a car when he can't even afford lessons.

unfortunateevents · 28/06/2017 13:20

I think Lazy's proposed response is excellent. It makes clear no money is forthcoming and that your DH has wised up to the one-sided nature of this relationship, but leaves the door open for this young man to contact DH again for a proper non-monetary friendship.

LeannePerrins · 28/06/2017 13:21

Apologies if I have missed something - it's a long thread but I've read all of OP's updates.

The OP mentions a second child. Is there any contact with him / her?

LeannePerrins · 28/06/2017 13:21

PS Lazy's email is excellent.

Tainbri · 28/06/2017 13:23

It would be a no from me to the money but I'd maybe offer to help in debt management as others suggest. If he doesn't even want to meet up, he's seeing your OH as a soft target sadly. He's an adult now and he's playing the emotional blackmail card imo. It's not like he's getting in touch for any other reason except financial.

jesterlaugh · 28/06/2017 13:23

I really like lazy's email too.

Ultimately any money given at this point is actually enabling him. It's like giving a drunk a drink.

Roomster101 · 28/06/2017 13:27

I agree that Lazy's e mail is very good.

stressedbeyond123 · 28/06/2017 13:31

I think DH (and you) are perfectly within your rights to say no. If DS really is in financial difficulty, and not just a handout, he would snap DH's hand off to get the advice he needs to get back on track.

i know from personal experience of being in debt, i would have taken all the help and advice i could have to put things right. I to, when in the midst of debt, and the depression that comes with it, sent messages/texts a lot like the one here as i was so desperate for money to help pay things - it really was a vicious circle.

Say no, offer to help in other ways, but believe me the worse thing you can do is give him more money. if you do, a month or two down the line there'll be another message, but this time maybe for more!

HTH xx

stressedbeyond123 · 28/06/2017 13:32

after a handout that should be x

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 13:35

Apologies for going against the grain, but while I know it's well meant I'm not convinced that Lazy's suggested message is the best way to go; for me, it contains too many "understand's", "this may not have been your intention's" and invitations to consider how he feels about his DSF

Personally I'd have thought his intentions and his attitude towards DSF have been made more than clear, especially as he's not prepared to meet up (or even call, for heaven's sake!!). As a PP said, whatever the small boy may once have been he's not that person any more; time has moved on, he no longer wants anything except money and all that seems to lie ahead now is more pain for OP's DH if he continues to engage

Doesn't he deserve better than that, after all he's tried to do?

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 13:38

The other child hasn't been in touch, no.

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user1492692527 · 28/06/2017 13:40

OP how much do you know about the particular type of sport that this young man wants to get into? I ask as I have a great deal of knowledge about a particular sport - athletics - which has the vast majority of it's coaches as volunteers. You can probably count the number of professional coaches in the sport on 2 hands, and those are very highly experienced and qualified, and that's across all the events, running, jumping, throwing as well as multi events.

So a new-ish graduate with very little experience has no chance whatsoever of getting a performance role within that sport - and I would suspect most other sports are very similar.

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