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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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BarbarianMum · 28/06/2017 12:34

Well firstly don't respond for a week or two. Let him cool his heels.

Motherbear26 · 28/06/2017 12:34

Just reiterate that you are still happy to meet up to provide practical assistance. Explain that you feel the fact that he has not accepted previous offers may have worsened his current financial situation, and you are unable to give cash until you are sure he knows how to manage it. Under no circumstances give any money, and for heavens sake, please try to verify that it is definitely the son!!!

JamRock · 28/06/2017 12:35

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Flashinthepan · 28/06/2017 12:37

My view is that if you don't want to phrase him as you won't help him, ask him what he plans to do with the £500? At the moment I genuinely can't see how it would help him, if he has no concrete opportunity for an income in place.

He has not said how he plans to use the money to improve his position, not just in the short term, but in the medium and longer term, even if you did want to give it to him so I think it would be fair to ask.

You could also say that as you have given him financial help in the past and it doesn't seem to have helped him progress, you're not sure it is the best way to assist him and that you'd be happy to meet and discuss other ways that you can provide support.

BlueKarou · 28/06/2017 12:39

Could you have a quick search online for some job ads around his area, walkable from where he is staying? Even if they are just supermarket shelf stacking, or selling MaccyDs.

I would be tempted to suggest your husband go down the line of 'I'll help you as long as you're helping yourself - get a summer job, and I'll come over, see what other advice I can give you, and work out a small loan to tide you over in the meantime. Make sure he explains what he wants the money for before it's handed over, and make sure the repayment terms are clearly set out.

JamPasty · 28/06/2017 12:40

I'd go with HotelEuphoria's response: "let's meet us and go through your papers and see how we can get things back on track". Keep it short and simple.

Roomster101 · 28/06/2017 12:41

We have similar letters from a relative. When he was younger we did give him money but then realised that he was just using us, partly due to the fact that he had been brought up to think we were loaded. Now, we always state that we don't have the money as it's the only thing that makes him realise that he's not getting anything. Otherwise, he will keep trying to persuade. One of the advantages of never seeing someone is that he will have no idea whether it is true or not!

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 12:44

The £500 was a ball park figure we discussed ourselves - not put forward by DS - but on reflection not an amount that would really get him very far...

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user1492692527 · 28/06/2017 12:45

I also think it would be a good idea to find out which jobs he's applied to that he's been turned down due to not having a licence. Of course they may not exist. As someone said earlier, to get into performance sports you normally have to have extensive experience (being just good at the sport doesn't count!), have a good record of coaching athletes who have risen to high performance levels, as well as excellent qualifications - it's a tough market out there!

I have no idea though why he can't get a low level job to tide him over financially, such as bar work, low level hospitality work etc - unless he feels it's all beneath him!

provider5sectorzz9 · 28/06/2017 12:49

He's rinsing you

LazyDailyMailJournos · 28/06/2017 12:50

I think you need to be straight with this kid. If - by some miracle - he's on the level, then it will give him an opportunity to step up. If he is scamming you, then it tells him that he's out of luck.

Dear X,

I'm sorry to hear about your finances. I understand that you're concerned about money and how to keep going.

As you know I was thrilled when you got back in touch - I'd hoped that me helping and advising you would lead to us rebuilding some kind of relationship. However it has become clear that I only seem to hear from you when you need money.

Perhaps it was not your intention, but despite many offers to meet with you, go for a drink and get to know each other again, you have kept contact with me to email and only when you need me to pay for something. I have to be honest, the thought that you may view me as nothing more than a source of cash, is pretty hurtful. As I say, perhaps this was not your intention, but your actions don't give me any indication that you actually want a genuine friendship and link between us.

Please have a good long think about my role in your life and how you view me. If you aren't interested in pursuing a relationship then you need to understand that it won't be appropriate for you to continue to contact me and ask for money.

If you do want to try and move our relationship forward, then you also need to understand that I am more than happy to offer practical and emotional support, but that it is not going to be possible for me to 'fund' you. I don't work in the same job any more, my earnings are not what they used to be and Bittorn and I have our own bills that we need to pay.

I'll leave this with you to think about.

Love, Dad.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 12:50

Can anyone please help with a suggested response?

If you must reply at all - and personally I wouldn't - then it could be sensible to say that, before considering anything at all, you need to know what he's done with the countless "investments" DH has made in him so far. Since the only real answer to this is "nothing" I doubt he'll engage

I'd avoid asking what he'd use the £500 for, as the answer is equally obvious: he'd use it as an indication that DH is ripe for plucking and immediately ask for more. Ditto the worthless promise to pay back any money, which would certainly become dependent on yet another handout, inevitably presented as the answer to everything if he can just have a bit more

As I've said, this isn't going to stop unless you stop it. Given his attitude you're clearly not going to help him by giving any cash, so what's the point in dragging this out any further?

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 28/06/2017 12:50

The £500 was a ball park figure we discussed ourselves - not put forward by DS - but on reflection not an amount that would really get him very far...

And call me a cynic, but I have a feeling that £500 is a very long way from what he had in mind, and may well throw it back in your face.

Which would at least tell you exactly what he really feels.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 28/06/2017 12:53

How much money has your DH already given him?

If you must reply (I wouldn't. I don't think he deserves a response) I would say the same as pp. you'd be happy to meet up to draw up a business plan and go through local papers to find a summer job.

That way you're supporting him. You're offering invaluable advice and time and effort. But not just throwing money into the bottomless money pit

Lilmy3 · 28/06/2017 12:58

Rather than say, "no let's meet up and budget" say "I won't discuss anything relating money unless it's face to face". Then when he asks again, you can say "I've already said that I won't be discussing this over email"

Rosehips · 28/06/2017 12:58

Has anyone suggested some kind of 'match funding' style thing. E.g. he gets a job (any crappy job) and for every £100 he earns you'll buy him 1 driving lesson

icecoldbeer · 28/06/2017 12:58

I think he should seek a meet up. He obviously loves this boy and whether what he's said in the email is true or not, he would always always wonder and feel guilty about it if he just refused. A meeting face to face might flush out whatever is really going on and help your partner work out what would be the best course of action re the money. Sounds like such a difficult situation. Sorry OP xx

ShotsFired · 28/06/2017 12:59

Reading this latest, does have me wondering a bit deeper than previous. Clearly he is not giving up despite repeated refusals.

And given the backstory, I do wonder if he really is that naive and that "brainwashed"(?)and/or (sorry) arrogant to believe that @Bittornhelp's OH owes him something (money perhaps in lieu of fathership?), which would account for his persistence - he genuinely believes it should be that way and his mother has probably stoked the fire within him.

That is not to say I think giving him cash is the answer (far from it), but it does feel a bit of a deeper issue than it did at first.

Sorry @Bittornhelp that isn't very practical, but one one slight level it does make it a fraction more about him and your DH than "just" the cold hard cash.

MrsZippyState · 28/06/2017 13:00

I am also very suspicious that it could be the mother masquerading as the son. Has your husband only ever communicated with him by email or text or have there been phone calls? If only email or text, I would insist on a face to face meeting before having over a penny more.

Seeingadistance · 28/06/2017 13:00

Having just read this thread, I feel desperately sad for your OH.

If you do respond, then I'd keep it very short and straightforward. Your OH should say that he'd like to meet up with him to discuss the situation and see what he can do to provide help and support (don't mention money) and suggest a couple of days/times/places they could meet locally to the son.

Headofthehive55 · 28/06/2017 13:02

I think like a lot of young people they set their heart on a niche role, and convince themselves they are on the brink of doing it. Whether it be needing a photographic portfolio to be a model or getting spotted to be a singer it's the same thing. You can't buy it. Convincing yourself that it's only because you don't drive is the same as needing hair extensions or cosmetic surgery to model. You don't need these, but it hurts less to think that than realising you don't quite have it.
As people have said, you need back up qualifications.

KimmySchmidt1 · 28/06/2017 13:05

it seems toxic. the son seems to be copying the terrible behaviour of his mother, and your OH is perpetuating it. It is very unfair on him that the son has abused his feelings by using him for money but never meeting up (I note he calls him dad in the email).

He is 22 and needs to get a job and stop this cycle. Your OH cannot fix all of their problems (god knows he tried) and drip feeding them money just feeds their addiction to being ridiculously irresponsible and sponging off others.

On a side note, what a shocking waste of money on private school.

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 13:06

Lazy that is an excellent one, thank you!

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lionsleepstonight · 28/06/2017 13:06

Why not come clean and say that you are not prepared to help unless he agrees to a face to face meeting, where his circumstances and finances can be reviewed.

No promises of money, just a face to face chat at a place of his convenience, so your DH can understand the situation he is in.

At the very least it confirms if this is the son and not the wife, (or any other random bugger!)

Your DH can decide what he does next. I agree with other posters that instead of giving actual cash, pay towards something that would give him a boost, like taking over one of the debts.

PastaOfMuppets · 28/06/2017 13:07

OP, I'd be firm and blunt.

"DS, you need to read what I am telling you. You only contact to ask for money. I paid for driving lessons, yet that went nowhere. I've paid your school fees, bills, credit cards, phone bills, for no thanks and in doing so you have come to rely on me as your personal wallet. I'm not rich and don't expect any loan you ask for would likely be repaid. You don't want to meet for a coffee or a beer, and I am saddened that any sort of relationship we once had is obviously not what you want. I won't give you money if you don't even give me five minutes of your time in return - it's hugely hurtful, and I shouldn't have to explain to you so crudely that I feel used and manipulated.
You have my phone number.
Dad"