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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
TheDogAteMyGoatskinVellum · 28/06/2017 11:14

Thedog round us, there's a shortage of proper well paid jobs that would support a family but there is always cleaning work for agencies, care work for agencies, and any type of agency work! Zero hour contracts, min wage, not great jobs, but he won't pay tax and if he has somewhere to live, it would be pure income. They are always short of cleaners at my work.

Great, but that isn't the case everywhere. And even when someone has a zero hour contract, that still doesn't mean they're actually getting any hours. There are times when all it does is force you to be available. So you can't simply say there's always x work available, because that's not true.

I still wouldn't be giving him anything now unless I was happy to do it indefinitely for someone I had no real relationship with, though. He doesn't sound like someone who's ever going to give up on a good thing. I suspect the poster who said that requests for a car, insurance etc would inevitably follow is right!

JakeBallardswife · 28/06/2017 11:15

I'd suggest he emails back and suggests a sit down. Somewhere near his home so he can walk / cycle or DH picks him up. Then see what happens. Not parting with cash though. Buying an interview suit or something similar. If he's 22, he could do some sort of work in the holidays.

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 11:16

The more I think about, I wonder how hard working he really is…

Giving my head a wobble now too.

Reading this again, it feels like he’s mirroring OH's words back at him – the voice sounds different too, much more "mature" in content and style.

The more I think about it, the more I also question how "hard-working" he really is... I've no doubt that this field is his passion, and he's highly accomplished within it (can be independently verified), but at the same time, no job till the summer…? Really? No temp work at all? No second job to tide him over? He’s in walking distance to the town center… If his passion only pays “hobby” wages, he needs to look at other means of income generation. I've no idea how viable a career prospect it really is longer-term...

Getting this person on the road could run into thousands – it will be I just need to learn to drive, I just need to buy a car, I just need to pay my premiums, I just need to get that job etc etc.

All without no money coming in. All with no job guarantee. All with zero change of paying back.

But but but - I had a leg up at his age (my dad covered my tuition fees, contributed to deposit on first property, paid for my wedding, etc), and OH's parents helped him out during a period of unemployment in his younger years. Maybe this could be all the difference to him...

Ultimately it will be OH's money not mine (it's just us two - we don't have "family money" in that sense, just a joint account for the shared expenses). If it were me in his shoes now, I'd be finding it extremely hard to just say no.

OP posts:
TheDogAteMyGoatskinVellum · 28/06/2017 11:20

You had a leg up from people you had some meaningful relationship with though, presumably? If he and your DP were still maintaining something like a father/son connection, it would be different. I can well believe there are no meaningful sources of income generation open to him, but that doesn't mean someone who doesn't have any real links to him has any obligation to assist.

JudyBlumeForever · 28/06/2017 11:20

The thing is that your dh would have probably been more than happy to 'invest in him' had ds shown the slightest inclination to foster a relationship not based solely on dh sending money... He's had 6 months since the start of this thread and I'm assuming he's made zero effort to meet for a coffee even.

The only thing he wants from your dh is a blank cheque. And any email you reply with that puts in conditions like meeting up for financial assistance will result in ds maybe showing up and your dh 'buying' a false relationship with him.

HappyFlappy · 28/06/2017 11:21

This young man will never learnt olive within his means if your DH continues to subsidise him.

Practical advice on how to control his spending etc would be much better.

He may be very manipulative and entitled, or he may truly think (or be led to think by his mother) that your DH is very wealthy and that son "deserves" his "share". As he avoids meeting, I suspect the former.

Has your DH's other step-child ever been in touch for any reason?

Emily7708 · 28/06/2017 11:23

You received a leg up from your Dad presumably because you have a lifelong, mutually affectionate, face to face relationship. I doubt you'd have got anything if you refused to ever see him and just sent begging letters!

KERALA1 · 28/06/2017 11:24

Lots of coffee shops and shops have "looking for staff"notices in them in our city.

KatyBerry · 28/06/2017 11:25

that's an excellent question from flappy - why is this one the only one to get in touch?

HappyFlappy · 28/06/2017 11:26

Basically as I read your post OP I wondered whether DS was really not just exW posing as DS

This flitted through my mind Annie. It seemed to complicated a situation, but if you think so too, maybe it's a feasible one.

Headofthehive55 · 28/06/2017 11:27

The biggest leg up you can ever give someone is to say no and force them to rely on themself.
they are much prouder as a result of doing it themselves!
Teach him independence, say no.
Mine are expected to have jobs.
Mine paid for driving lessons herself even as a sixth form student, as did I. It's perfectly possible.

CotswoldStrife · 28/06/2017 11:28

Gosh, I'm also in favour of giving him nothing tbh. How can he write 'I need you to believe in me' when he won't even meet up face to face?! I thought you'd already paid for driving lessons anyway?

If he is so keen to take this role (whatever it is) on and it requires driving, how was this not a priority before?

pinkyredrose · 28/06/2017 11:30

OP he only contacts your OH when he wants money.

Keep repeating that.

unfortunateevents · 28/06/2017 11:31

Why is his mother not helping him? Why is his other sibling not helping him?
Looking at your first post, your DH already gave him money for driving lessons, what happened to that?
"Invest in him" - I think your DH has already done that many time over, with private schooling, money for driving lessons, pocket money which seems to have run into thousands? It's time for the investment to reap rewards1
I notice there is still no mention of meeting up with your DH?
Absolute rubbish about his interviews needing a full driving licence - if that was the case, he wouldn't have been interviewed in the first place? Also, for a personal training job, if he does need a driving licence, presumably that is in order to get to clients (although why he would need to do that if he is interviewing for positions within a leisure centre?) then he will also need a car and insurance? Two guesses as to who will be paying for that!
It's very easy for him to send screenshots of the dire state of his finances but that only shows he has no money, not what he has been spending it on - if he has been taking out cash, the money could be for anything? Even Tesco spending could be on food or large quantities of alcohol!

I'm another one saying that your DH absolutely should not give him any more money.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 28/06/2017 11:34

Did you have a leg up from someone who you've refused to see in how many years but continually pestered them for money? No. It's not the same thing

Also you had tangible goals. I see no future plan for him. Nothing. Just this vague hope he'll land his perfect job. What if that never happens. Life's shit. Maybe he'll have to retrain.

A friend of mines an actor. One of the most unreliable careers around. He's passionate. It's his life. However he knows he has bills to pay and if he's not working (majority of the time) he has another job. Two jobs. Cos that's life

What are you teaching him if you give him money? You don't need to be nice to people to get what you want. Emotionally blackmail them till you get it.

Sorry. It's very tough on your dh. But how long is it since he's actually seen him. Had a chat (not about money)

I wouldn't give money. He will be back. There will be more crisis after crisis

Flashinthepan · 28/06/2017 11:35

I think it's so sad that money seems to be his only incentive for ever being in contact, despite repeated attempts by you and OH to foster a meaninful relationship and it says a lot about you and OH as people that you continue to try and do right by him. I agree the driving does seem a potentially ever expanding cost, that might not actually lead to anything.

Perhaps you could say that given his current financial status (as seen by his statements) and the fact that he says he needs a car to apply for his preferred jobs/currently has no legitimate plan of action for getting a permanent job you can't see how £500 will help at this stage, although you'd be more than willing to meet up and discuss his plans/problems in more detail, and that while you aren't able to offer financial support based on his email, you're willing to offer as much support as he needs in other ways.

And see what he comes back with.

jay55 · 28/06/2017 11:41

Could your oh offer to take him out in his car for a couple of lessons? Find out if it's really about the driving or the money.

TheDogAteMyGoatskinVellum · 28/06/2017 11:41

His mum is a financial disaster zone unfortunateevents. OP thinks there's a possibility some of this could even be because he's tried to help her out.

SilveryFlowers · 28/06/2017 11:42

Exactly- you have had help from people you have meaningful relationships with. And you appreciate it and presumably did not write them begging letters and then only get in contact when you wanted more, more more.

You are not helping him in any meaningful way if you continue with handouts- you have tried to provide meaningful help by offering sound financial planning advice and had it thrown back at you.

Time for the kid to grow the fuck up.

alpacasandwich · 28/06/2017 11:49

This man is a financial black hole. Stop throwing stuff down it.

EenyMeenyMo · 28/06/2017 11:50

I suspect he is either mirroring his mother money wise or it is her writing the emails pretending to be him- does his Facebook seem consistent?

In any case I am not sure what job he wants or what course he is doing- did you say something sporty?
if he's looking at being a personal trainer or something i would say that based on my experience the only people who make a proper living out of this have to be incredibly dedicated and hardworking - a lot of people (dp included) have it asa hobby job and think they can pick and choose clients etc
That said the easiest way to start would be in a gym as a general assistant /gym instructor on a low salary- maybe with extra for running classes but that wouldn't require a car. in fact I can't see why he'd be asked unless he is trying to work for some kind of agency where they want to be able to send him out places? seems very odd to me

Theresnonamesleft · 28/06/2017 11:56

I would give him nothing.
There's temp work he could do. Work in a coffee shop, bar, cleaner anything. When you ain't got a job you find anything to tide you over. Hard working my arse.
If he's out of work then he could go and put in a claim for universal credit/job seekers - but I suppose he has too much pride.

Cannot get a job because he hasn't got a license. Bullshit for two reasons - 1 don't need a license as a coach - 2 your dh was paying for lessons previously so why did he stop and not pass?

Optimist1 · 28/06/2017 11:59

Does this boy know that your OH is not his biological father? That everything he has done to educate, clothe, feed and support him has been out of the goodness of his heart? That most young men of his age know that "independent" means supporting yourself?

Sorry to put it so bluntly, Bittorn.

user1492692527 · 28/06/2017 12:07

So he works term time and idles around the rest of the year? Coaching roles rarely need driving licences, certainly entry level ones. He's having a laugh!

BarbaraofSeville · 28/06/2017 12:08

There isn't, especially not in the current climate. It isn't as simple as there's always something available. There's not. Competition even for unskilled roles is fierce

Bollocks. Any able bodied young man (or woman or anyone who is up to it) could have labouring work for the summer by the end of the week if he applied himself.

DP is registered with several building agencies and gets several emails and texts every week offering such work. He doesn't take it at the moment because he is currently doing somehting else but building site work is his winter fall back and there is loads available and it is easy to get into. DB does the same and he is in the same position.

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