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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
cocaloca · 28/06/2017 10:44

Stick to your guns OP! You know the son will disappear until the next time.

Flashinthepan · 28/06/2017 10:45

Is he trying to get non-perfect jobs? Coffee shop, office work, temp jobs etc? Or is it all or nothing? I would be reluctant to give much help if he wasn't willing to get a job doing something else in the meantime.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 28/06/2017 10:45

Oh op. Sorry to hear this is still dragging on

What's changed though?

I'm sorry but hard working how? At 15 I had three part time jobs. None of which involved driving. I don't believe he is doing everything he can. He is still using your DH and playing him emotionally.

I know it's hard. But I would arrange a face to face and take it from there. I wouldn't hand over any money. He needs to be able to manage himself financially. And I'm not sure he can. Flowers

EssentialHummus · 28/06/2017 10:45

I wouldn't give any more help without a face to face meeting to discuss a sensible plan of action.

Yup. Also worried that the message is actually coming from his mum.

Poor DH :(

Zaphodsotherhead · 28/06/2017 10:45

It is also possible that he might fail the intensive driving course - and then what would you do? Buy him another? And (yes, I read all the scooter stuff), if he passes his test, who is going to buy/tax/insure the car?

Basically, there's no end to it. So maybe your DH could email him asking what the end game is. Ask him what he proposes. Just giving money is no solution, why does he need money if he's living rent free at home - for entertainment? If he says he needs driving lessons, point out how much a car costs to buy, run and insure and ask how he proposes to do that...if he ums and errs, then it's obvious he expects to be financed continually.

zippyants · 28/06/2017 10:46

No. No and erm No. Supporting someone who is in a difficult situation is one thing - give them food, a rood over their head if need be, buy them a suit for and interview and anything else. Give them money.....no.

If a person if in a pretty awful situation then I completely agree that we should support them in any way we can, especially family of course. Yet, when we give money then it will be wasted on things other than paying off the debt and will set a precedent.

I would be asking what the money is need for - if it's to pay the debt then they should get professional and free advice, see the Citizens advice and more.

If they want it to buy food then send a grocery delivery with the items they want - even on a regular basis.

And so on............

AnnieOH1 · 28/06/2017 10:47

I don't want to read and run but I have to, apologies if someone has already asked this.

Basically as I read your post OP I wondered whether DS was really not just exW posing as DS. It would explain why DS has never wanted to meet up and also sounds like the type of thing exW would do based on what you've said about her.

xxx

SilveryFlowers · 28/06/2017 10:48

Don't do it.

He is a con artist and a fraudster. Your OH has been divorced for longer than they were together, he is not his child, and he actively does not give a shit about anything but milking you dry.

Your OH put him through private schooling. His 'son' refuses to actually meet. Your OH OWES HIM NOTHING.

Drop the dead donkey.

ChasedByBees · 28/06/2017 10:50

It's sad that he literally just sees your DH as a source of money. Nothing else.

In his position I'd be tempted to write and ask why he's never wanted to get to touch in person. Did the letter to him previously say how he was disappointed their relationship had never developed beyond financial? Did he respond to that?

This guy is absolutely shameless in his begging and it's pretty outrageous how he won't give anything back - there's no sense of gratitude for the help he's received so far.

prettywhiteguitar · 28/06/2017 10:50

No fucking way !!!! Don't you dare give him any money. Tell him straight that over the years he's asked for money and never tried to actually have a relationship with your dh.

Believe me I would be genuinely interested in helping him if he wasn't trying to just get cash out of you. It will just carrying on and you will never get respect from him. I also think he's lying about the driving license as it's a way of getting money from you

HotelEuphoria · 28/06/2017 10:52

nooooooooooo, don't do it. He probably wants the money to go to AyaNapa with his mates in August, they have all booked and he can't get the money together.

You are nuts.

Rinse and repeat - "let's meet us and go through your papers and see how we can get things back on track".

Even now he doesn't want to meet your OH, or call him, he just wants to send screen shots as evidence for cash.

DO NOT RELENT.

FuckingSausageFingers · 28/06/2017 10:53

I feel really, really sorry for your DH. I bet he feels so torn. Also feel for you too being able to see it more for what it is without any of the emotion. I agree with a pp that if you give in now he'll get the message that if he pesters enough he'll eventually wear your DH down. Please try to help him stay strong. Your DH has done a lot for that kid and it's time he took responsibility for himself.

Hortonlovesahoo · 28/06/2017 10:53

Notice OP how he's only in touch again to get money. There's no element of a relationship there and there's no indication that any of this would change once he'd get money.

I wouldn't give him anything. By enabling him with this, he's only going to get more in the future. He can get jobs with a bike, walking and there's plenty in the summer for students.

TheDogAteMyGoatskinVellum · 28/06/2017 10:54

There is always bar work and temp agency work like labouring until he's made the capital he needs.

There isn't, especially not in the current climate. It isn't as simple as there's always something available. There's not. Competition even for unskilled roles is fierce.

That said, I still wouldn't provide any money unless I were happy to do so on an ongoing basis, on the same terms as previously. Ie whenever, and without any expectation of a relationship. Which doesn't seem to be the case for OPs DP here.

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 28/06/2017 10:55

I think it's important to stop this now and let this boy know that this type of letter, to a parent, is totally unacceptable.

He wants money, and has written a begging letter basically! It's one up from sitting on the street with a pot in front of you when you have a perfectly ok house to live in!

It's manipulative, in fact it's horrible to read. It's pretty low to write this type of letter when nothing is stopping him getting an actual job (you don't need a driving license to get a temp job!)

This person doesn't care about your husband or you, doesn't want to meet (too shameful to actually face him to beg) and just wants you to hand over the cash and then disappear off til the next time.

This is only ongoing as you both keep hoping it isn't what it is, but it is, and it won't change now.

I would be ashamed if I had a child that wrote a letter like that.

KatyBerry · 28/06/2017 10:55

the line that gets me is the one about him begging your DH to "invest" in him.
Your DH has invested heavily in him - has paid his private education, has bailed him out repeatedly.
The thing about investments is that one generally expects a return on them. In this case, a meeting, a visit, a phonecall that isn't about begging for more.
This is a poor investment and he has shown that time and time and time again.

(NB I'd also make the point that he's choosing what to screenshot and send over; you've no idea what other accounts / investments may or may not exist).
I call absolute BS on not being able to do any job without a driving licence. Or the inevitable car that he'll expect next. And the insurance and petrol and so on.

This is not the little boy that your DH loved and lived with. It's a skilled manipulator who knows a soft touch.

Anatidae · 28/06/2017 10:55

He's never met him. Think about that and what it means. All that begging and he's never bothered to meet. Or doesn't want to meet, which suggests it may not actually be him at all.

Your OH sounds lovely - don't get sucked back into this. Insist on a meeting. Face to face to check it actually is his son and not the Exw.

He isn't hard working at all - if he was he'd be working in a coffee shop, a factory line etc. Not waiting for the perfect job.

If you do meet and do want to give assistance make sure it's in kind not actual cash.

pinkyredrose · 28/06/2017 10:55

Please don't give him money! How do you know he hasn't spent the last few weeks/months moving money around to make it look like he hasn't got any? You don't know what other accounts he may have.

Anyone who says 'I'll pay it back, promise' is not to be trusted.

What do other skint adults do? He's got no shame, coming to you cap in hand yet again. Where the fuck do his wages go!

He doesn't give a shit about your DH, he just treats him like a cashpoint on legs.

Maudlinmaud · 28/06/2017 10:57

I remember your thread from way back op.
I am cringing at the brass neck of this fellow. Please support your dh in whatever he feels is right but seriously I wouldn't give any more dosh.

PovertyPain · 28/06/2017 10:58

Good grief! That reads like one of those fraudulent e.mails you get from scam artists. It practically reads as if he's lifted an original begging letter and tweaked it.

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 28/06/2017 10:58

Thedog round us, there's a shortage of proper well paid jobs that would support a family but there is always cleaning work for agencies, care work for agencies, and any type of agency work! Zero hour contracts, min wage, not great jobs, but he won't pay tax and if he has somewhere to live, it would be pure income. They are always short of cleaners at my work.

If he lives in the middle of nowhere, I can see the point about travel.

Emily7708 · 28/06/2017 11:03

Don't give him a penny!!

I'm normally the biggest pushover ever but the way the emails are written suggests a complete lack of care or respect for your OH, I even detect slight derision. He hasn't said please or thank you once in all his correspondence. Just block him - he is no better than an internet scammer.

fustercluckery · 28/06/2017 11:08

He's taking the piss.

I don't believe that he can't find any job. He just sees your DH as a wallet on legs.

My 18 year old daughter is going on two holidays and to two festivals this summer. To pay for this she's worked two jobs - one in a pub and then an extra job waitressing when college finished. She's paid for everything herself and I'm proud of how she's done it. We could have afforded to fund some of it but she was determined to pay her own way. I'd be ashamed of a child who wrote begging letters like this.

fustercluckery · 28/06/2017 11:14

Oh, and my daughter is making a trip to the city where she's going to university next week to hand out cv's with a view to getting a job when term starts - it's called being proactive, something sadly lacking with this young man.

singleandfabulous · 28/06/2017 11:14

I can't believe he's still trying OP. I remember your original post which I read with an open mouth.

such entitlement has to be stopped and if you were to give him money, this wouldn't help him at all as he's shown that he's not willing to alter his living expenses or lifestyle or job aspirations to match his income.

He needs to buckle down, be realistic about jobs, get weekend/evening work and get a bike/look at Uber when he needs transport.

I'd be more sympathetic if he'd shown an ounce of willingness to have a real relationship with your DH but he hasn't, he's simply begged for money knowing your DH is an easy mark. Shameless.