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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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jamrock · 23/05/2017 17:54

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JanetBrown2015 · 23/05/2017 17:55

I thnk keeping up some contact is a good idea and a moral duty for the father but there is no obligation to pay money. However in many families children after university move back home (my daughter did for at least two years after graduating to do two years of law school - they were 22 - 24) - now I was happy with that as they were pursuing good careers and they found jobs and bought flats. If someone is mid 20s and not doing much it is a different matter. My older son is at home at the moment - going travelling in the Autumn and has been very helpful with the younger ones - almost their au pair (as I work full time) so again there is a very useful thing about having had him around and he's bought a house he lets out. However I would not want to be paying for young people forever. Yes I would house them and feed them if they were desperate but you cannot go on forever supporting them.

RhiWrites · 23/05/2017 18:08

You know, reading the thread what really surprises me is that in 4.5 years he's never tried to milk the cow in person.

His dad is a nice bloke and a bit of a soft touch. If this lad begged dad to come and see him and sobbed into his beer I'm betting some £££ would be produced.

I don't think he's in extremis at all. I think he's lazy. He won't even put in a by of effort to his begging for cash.

I'm sorry OP, I think as others have suggested your husband should join a mentoring charity and put some of his effort into a young person who will reciprocate.

Bittornhelp · 23/05/2017 18:58

EXACTLY that! The gravy train would be flowing freely had this kid put in even the teeniest bit of groundwork - bother to lay the bait before attempting to reel them in at the very least....

Probably for the best all round that this boy's begging technique is about as subtle as a brick - any more sophisticated and OH would be on definitive hook, line and sinker....

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Bittornhelp · 23/05/2017 19:01

Bad bittorn would send him this link

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Optimist1 · 23/05/2017 19:46

If you OH was to offer (again) to talk through his son's financial situation it's a little less harsh than an outright "No". Your OH's conscience would be more comfortable to have offered assistance, and in the unlikely event that the boy does agree to meet and talk there may be some progress made. Tempting though it is, I wouldn't communicate with the boy - just be background support for OH. Here's hoping he stays firm!

HiggeldyPiggeldy · 23/05/2017 22:53

he sounds really awful, still asking for money and offering nothing in return.

I would suggest he visits the Money Saving Expert website for money making ideas

Familyof3or4 · 23/05/2017 23:20

New to this thread today. Very interesting.
You need to keep OH strong and reply breezily when he gets in contact but never even address the poorly disguised begging. (Can say no if he asks outright again but I suspect it will all come out as a guilt trap from now)
I would have cut contact but obviously your OH would want to do that as he is clearly a lovely person who would feel guilty to do so.

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 10:09

Here we are again.

He has sent screenshots of all his accounts and they are pretty dire.

This reads like a genuine plea, albeit badly worded...

^Hope you're okay. I am in need of you to believe and invest in me. I have tried and tried and tried to get work, but I have been rejected every time. I have now been given interviews with , but because I do not have a full driving license my applications have not been taken any further. I absolutely hate asking, it massively hurts my ego to do so as I am a hard working, independent man, but I really need you to invest in me as I have no one else to ask. Once I get back into work I'll pay it back I promise - I am not one to take advantage because after all, I do want to make everyone proud, but I need help from you.

My ambition and my goals are to be an coach and sports performance trainer, and I will get there with your help 100%.This last year I have accomplished so much, but there's only so much I can do with £25 in my account and I do not start again until September. I can't even afford to travel anywhere.

I have attached my accounts just to prove to you that I am struggling. I do not think you understand how much it will mean to me.^

I'm tempted to have OH bung him maybe £500 but on the understanding this will be the very last time.

We can afford it, and can part with it even in the knowledge it might ultimately be pissed up the wall.

What do you think...?

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LaContessaDiPlump · 28/06/2017 10:17

'Hard-working, independent man'? Hmm where's the evidence of that?

I'd be very very suspicious of anyone who got in touch with the message "I need money - I am not lying about how hard up I am. Here is some proof of how hard up I am just in case you thought I was lying. I'm not lying". Methinks the young man doth protest too much.

Of course you should do whatever you want with your family money, but I'd attach a very unambiguous message along with it stating that a) you cannot afford to do this ever again and b) that he needs to take a serious look at how he's managing his finances if he keeps ending up in situations like this, as it's clearly unsustainable.

I feel sorry for your OH - he sounds like a lovely dad and doesn't deserve to be played like this.

Chattymummyhere · 28/06/2017 10:20

I think while you keep giving he won't learn. You've given so much before and the man won't even meet for a face to face with the man who raised him. Notice he wants to make everyone proud not dad. He only comes calling when it's for cash.

youhavetobekidding · 28/06/2017 10:21

I have now been given interviews with , but because I do not have a full driving license my applications have not been taken any further.

This sounds a little odd to me. Why would you need a driving licence to work in a leisure centre? If that's true, then how did he get interviews without a driving licence? Surely that would be an easy way for potential employer to sift out applications

I remember this thread from earlier in the year. What is he wanting money for now ? If it's to pay for driving lessons, could you offer to pay the instructor directly?

BaronessEllaSaturday · 28/06/2017 10:23

I wouldn't give any more help without a face to face meeting to discuss a sensible plan of action.

CoraPirbright · 28/06/2017 10:28

Agree with Baroness.

Flashinthepan · 28/06/2017 10:33

If you or OH decide to give him financial assistance, could you spend the £500 buying him a driving crash course with test at the end?

That way he doesn't get the cash direct, but you are directly helping him with what he claims to be the remaining obstacle to getting the jobs he wants?

Baalam · 28/06/2017 10:35

I've only read the OP but the bit about 'ds' never meeting up for a beer or football is really sad :-(

I hope your dh can work something out, I certainly wouldn't want to be giving more money. Maybe one last payout.

Baalam · 28/06/2017 10:35

I wouldn't give any more help without a face to face meeting to discuss a sensible plan of action.

yes this as baroness suggests

bigkidsdidit · 28/06/2017 10:36

I would give him £500 actually, as j am soft. But I would make very clear this is the last time, and a word about if he is living rent free he really needs to examine his spending so this gets better.

Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 10:37

I would insist on a face-to-face taking place before any money is given...

And only then on the condition that he commits to a debt management plan; discusses his finances and spending in detail with OH, and that any money paid is given directly to the driving school.

Of course, after that will be the question of him actually getting a car and affording the premiums, while still applying for jobs...

I've stressed to OH that if he does decide to help get this person on the road, it will be a long-term commitment and an expensive one - it would be his money on the line not mine, but it's a lot to lose still...

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Bittornhelp · 28/06/2017 10:38

Yes, I thought a week long driving course as well - though just doing an initial reccie they seem a lot more than £500!

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pottered · 28/06/2017 10:39

i'm soft too - but i'd not give him any money without a face to face meeting either. Get him to get into a taxi, or give him enough to cover the travel and tell him if he's that desperate, you want to see him and will help him in person. Otherwise you've no idea who you're talking to.

gamerchick · 28/06/2017 10:41

If you cave now the only thing you're teaching is if he bangs on enough it's just a matter of time before he gets his way.

Go to the beginning of your thread and have a fresh read if you're wobbling.

PenguinOfDoom · 28/06/2017 10:42

I'm afraid I'd tell him to do one. He is massively taking the piss.

AsleepAtMyDesk · 28/06/2017 10:42

He only wants a relationship with your money, not with you. Until that changes, I would not get involved.

ADayGivingMeHope · 28/06/2017 10:42

There is always bar work and temp agency work like labouring until he's made the capital he needs. Everyone else has to get by in the world, he should learn the hard way.
But perhaps you could pay his driving lessons directly and maybe a cheap run around, that way you know where money is going and he is still learning.

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