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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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EssentialHummus · 16/05/2017 10:49

I'm sorry this is still rumbling on OP, I remember this thread and felt very sad for your DH. I think your response is perfect and agree re a moped.

StarUtopia · 16/05/2017 10:53

No. Because he will just keep asking.

He needs help in managing his finances and making his own way out of this mess. Then he will get his self esteem back too.

I would meet with him and say you will help - practically.

JanetBrown2015 · 16/05/2017 11:16

Sounds like a good email. It is always hard to know the situation isn't it? Sometimes on a divorce if you have been paying school fees for step children in law they are classed as children of the family and you have to keep paying the fees after the divorce. I know one person who had to pay two sets of school for Millfield boarding school after divorce for step children not just own children.

My children's father pays nothing and I often wonder what his new wife thinks about that. She once commented to my sons that her then fiance lived in a much bigger house than other people she knew and wondered why that was.... (how weird, he lives there because I was forced to buy it for him on our divorce). If you compare what a resident parent pays towards the children and what these absent parents and step parents pay there can be a much bigger difference than people think although of course here the key issue is this is just a step child and a 22 year old (mind you most of us with natural children do help them out at 22 if needs be).

Does this young chap not have a real biological father who could help never mind his mother? Why did his mother eve give up work? That is often the reason for all these kinds of issues. If women never gave up full time work even with babies and toddlers things tend to go better. I always worked full time and yes that was hard for us when the children were little but it certainly meant on divorce there was more money to play with.

needsahalo · 16/05/2017 13:10

Mad ex wife?
Saintly ex husband?
Denied access?
Ex wife can't handle money?
More demands for money?
Ex husband who walks away with nothing at all?

It's like ex bingo around here.

I don't buy the husband in this situation is a great guy. There is so much he could have done to remain in contact with the children and it is more than likely he would have had the backing of the courts given the length of time he was in a relationship with their mother. And it is all very well leaving the ex with a fortune in equity but a bit pointless if she couldn't afford the on-going costs.

That said, of course, he has no obligation to an adult 'child', and less so to one who appears in it for the money only.

MissShittyBennet · 16/05/2017 13:18

YY re ex bingo. I'm not saying DP should give money, but this description of XWs is often greeted very differently on the relationships board.

NapQueen · 16/05/2017 14:23

Just caught up again on this thread having posted back at the beginning and sorry to hear that a relationship hasnt developed between them.

Bittornhelp · 23/05/2017 16:18

Oh here we go...

^Can't even afford a moped, 60 quid in my account so it's getting pretty serious. Can't even afford to get to interviews. Uni have said I'll get some sort of expenses back but I don't know when that will be.

I'm okay, money is literally the only stress really. Hate living with , but then again it's a roof.^

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sonjadog · 23/05/2017 16:26

I would ignore that one. There really isn't any point engaging in it. He'll just keep asking.

redexpat · 23/05/2017 16:31

Im with Sonjadog. Ignore.

Bittornhelp · 23/05/2017 16:33

Yes, agree.

He is utterly shameless.

Where all his money is going when he lives rent-free and has no outgoings other than the credit card payments, I don't know.

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EssentialHummus · 23/05/2017 16:33

Another "Ignore" from me.

GeekyWombat · 23/05/2017 16:35

Really shameless when he won't make the effort to know your DH.

How's your DH coping with this? It must be hurtful on some level every time it gets dragged up again.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/05/2017 16:37

"I'm okay, money is literally the only stress really"

It's also the only reason he ever contacts you isn't it?

Another vote here for sending no reply at all ...

Trb17 · 23/05/2017 16:39

No reply vote from me. The fact that he's purely wanting money is actually becoming quite blatant now isn't it. Shameful.

juneau · 23/05/2017 16:39

He may as well have written:

"I know I can't be arsed to see you, but you know what I really just want is as much money as I can squeeze out of you. Mum's told me how generous you were in the past to us, even though we're not your kids, so I know what a soft touch you can be so hey, you can't blame me for keep trying. After all, I've got fuck all else to do but keep hitting you up. So here I go again. It's worth a try eh? Dad? If I call you that it might be worth a few quid eh?"

emmyhNL · 23/05/2017 16:40

Agree about ignoring. What is stark to me in all of these messages is that his 'D'S hasn't asked how he is. It's all about him.

Branleuse · 23/05/2017 16:45

i think its a good letter

Dulcimena · 23/05/2017 17:01

Oh. Really sad to see that this is still going on. Yes, it's definitely time to cut this loose once and for all. Hope your OH is ok.

TheMysteriousJackelope · 23/05/2017 17:02

I wouldn't bother replying.

It was a long time since I was interviewing while at university, but I do remember that travelling expenses were paid in cash by the company as we wrapped up the interview day so I don't think he has to worry about reimbursement.

smearedinfood · 23/05/2017 17:07

Just tell him you don't have any money spare. If neither party have not made any effort to actually 'see' each other, what is the point of this dialogue. It's a bit weird.

aaaaargghhhhelpme · 23/05/2017 17:18

Oh op. I remember this from way back when. So sorry to see its still dragging on.

What a total arse. Seriously. He just sees your DH as a cash machine. And he's tugging all the emotional strings. He makes me mad on your behalf

You two sound lovely though. Take care. Stay strong! id ignore the latest email. Hes just utterly shameless

whatsthefuckingwrongwithyou · 23/05/2017 17:24

Does he ever ask your husband what he's doing in life? This son sounds totally wrapped up in himself, more than usual for a 22 year old.

ShotsFired · 23/05/2017 17:26

My family had this, although not to quite such an extent.

The relative in question would tap each of us up in turn asking for "food money". Unfortunately they had a low level drug problem made worse by the company they were keeping encouraging them in the drugs and the begging for (drug) money.

So we all put on a united front and calmly and kindly offered to collect them and "bring them back for a home cooked meal" (and whatever other equivalent offers according to the dire financial need of that moment)

Strangely the meal was always declined... But happy to report the consistency paid off and the person is now off drugs and slowly putting their life back together in a new area.

Good luck OP, you are your husband are doing the right thing, even if the son doesn't know it and it doesn't feel like it.

Dulcimena · 23/05/2017 17:35

Smeared, OP's OH has suggested meeting numerous times but it's always ignored or vaguely dismissed.

Bittornhelp · 23/05/2017 17:43

He will occasionally throw in a "how are you" or "how's Bittornhelp", but only as a sop I think.

OH carries on responding on the off chance that this is really a young man (admittedly a massively self-centered and immature one from the sounds of it) who has got himself in a bind and could use some wise financial council (not that it sounds like he wants to take any).

Am highly tempted to reply all myself (OH forwards me on the email, so I know his email address) telling him straight! (I've just broke my foot so am not feeling particularly patient today.)

OH would never forgive me though.

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