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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

732 replies

Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

OP posts:
KatyBerry · 15/05/2017 17:57

Have you read the thread, Chester? He's a spoiled snowflake capable of earning his own money instead of emotionally blackmailing someone and treating them as his walking cashpoint. Also by 22 I'd struggle to see how it's manipulation by the mother - he's old enough to say no to her (and get a job) and old enough to know precisely what he's doing. It's deeply unkind and Unpleasant.

Avocuddle · 15/05/2017 18:02

I've not read the entire thread so not sure if anyone's said this yet but if all contact has been via email and no face-to-face... Are you absolutely sure this is DS asking for money and not exW cat fishing you? Sad

Avocuddle · 15/05/2017 18:06

Ignore me! Just reversed the post and have seen others have suggested this. I would also suggest no more money and practical advice if he's willing to accept it. Your husband isn't a walking cash point and shouldn't be treated like one OP. But he must be torn as he feels a parental responsibility. Hope you resolve it in a way that's best for you and DH Sad

Madwoman5 · 15/05/2017 18:08

Wow. Credit card, phone, offer of car, financial support for years and a mother who pissed a six figure sum up the wall and came back for more after nc-ing the kids.

If you don't have it, don't spend it.
A single minimum payment on a cc will not "sort him for the year" .
Please don't even consider coughing up. If this is not about pure money then why did he not say yes, to sorting a longer term solution. If they are so short, mummy should sell stuff, starting with her car and (no doubt), copious jewellery. He should not consider a car as his right.
Welcome to the real world son, not everyone has a private investor, sooner or later you need to take responsibility. Stand strong DH! They are not your responsibility and any ties you had have been paid off now.

PoochSmooch · 15/05/2017 18:11

Blimey, he's got some front, hasn't he!

I take it that the "end of the month" where he would have time to see your OH never materialised the last time? Did he just fade away until he got back in touch this time?

DaemonPantalaemon · 15/05/2017 18:12

Dear DS

Your CV is very well done, and clearly, you need no help from me to improve it. I hope you apply similar determination in sorting out your financial affairs, and can only wish you well in doing so.

With best wishes for now and in the future,

Wised-up Dad

GreenHairDontCare · 15/05/2017 18:15

I'm a bit in awe of his giant steel swingers tbh. Cheeky little cunt.

Bringmewineandcake · 15/05/2017 18:16

What ewearehere said.

Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 18:17

If he's that desperate to get from A to B, why doesn't he get a moped...? My first job at 22 was a hellish two bus journey, but I cycled and saved for the few months it took to then buy a zippy little third-hand scooter that I qualified to drive in an afternoon. I only learned to drive a car 15 years after that, and it didn't ruin my career, funnily enough.

At 22, OH had just been made redundant in the 1980s city crash, and at the time the only work he could get was on the counter at McDonald's (not that there's anything wrong at all with that - but financially it was a struggle to keep the bills paid still and mortgage paid) which he stuck at till he was offered a promotion to branch manager and an entry-level job back into the financial sector in the same week.

It IS hard starting out and no one ever said otherwise - the fact is (though we're hardly rolling in it ourselves) we would be happy to give a leg up, were it not requested in this constantly grabby way with zero interest in OH as anything other than a cash point.

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Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 18:19

Some great suggested responses here - thanks people.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/05/2017 18:23

Personally I'd send back a few positive comments about the CV, maybe suggest the sort of places it would be best suited to and say nothing at all about finances

Firstly that should flush him out into making it clear what his approach was really about - which might help your DH in staying strong - and secondly it might do something towards sending a message that money is simply not on the table

emmyhNL · 15/05/2017 18:24

I'd agree with what Ewe said. Perfect response. I hope your OH is alright and not too hurt by this latest contact

Whack · 15/05/2017 18:28

I'd say no. He's taking advantage. Why hasn't he met up with your partner in all this time? I wouldn't TBW so sure it isn't he EXW pretending to be her son to get money in all honesty. How does he know it is the son?

Rossigigi · 15/05/2017 18:37

Your dp sounds like a lovely man.

Bunnyfuller · 15/05/2017 18:48

If OH wants to help ask the ds for the account numbers in arrears and set up a fixed payment plan AND get cards cut up. It sounds like either his mum using him to get money, or he's as bad with money as her. But boundaries need to be set (you should ask for the statements to prove they're in his name etc).

dailystuck71 · 15/05/2017 18:51

You DP is a lovely, caring man. This must be very difficult for him. Everyone is right though. He can't keep giving money. You have to draw a line.

eddielizzard · 15/05/2017 18:56

i'm afraid that not giving him money but emotional support and advice is the best thing your oh can do. he sounds like he's wallowing in self pity. life is tough, and he needs to grow up, starting with finding his own accommodation. moving closer to his work would be a start.

your oh sounds like a really decent man who's been taken for a ride.

Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 20:51

This is what OH proposes (rather more nicely than I would have put it...):

^Hi ,

Congratulations on the award - you should be very proud of yourself!

Bittornhelp (recruitment background) is happy to have a proper look at your CV, but just on first glance says it's looking very polished. Are you still with these days...?

Yes, it's tough starting out and no-one has ever liked paying the bills, but hang in there. Everyone has to start somewhere - at 22, I was made redundant from the City and worked in McDonalds to keep a roof over my head, but with a bit of legwork all came good in the end.

At 22 your insurance and car maintenance would be even more expensive for you in the short-term than lessons, so I wouldn't worry about driving for now - wait until you have some money saved up, and maybe invest in a moped to get you from A to B in the meantime.

Hope all is otherwise well,

Dad x^

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228agreenend · 15/05/2017 20:56

Hope it works out.

SweetLuck · 15/05/2017 21:11

That e mail sounds perfect to me.

CookieLady · 15/05/2017 21:52

Perfect reply. Good luck.

Bringmewineandcake · 16/05/2017 00:35

Perfect 👌
I doubt you'll get a reply...well, not until Christmas is coming up anyway!

OrraBoralis · 16/05/2017 06:48

I started reading and and was feeling so sorry for your OH, Bittorn then I realised it was an old thread and was going to give up. I'm glad I didn't because it looks like your OH has finally come to the decision that the guy is just out for money.

Flowers to both of you for doing your best for this young man for a long time, even if he didn't really appreciate it.

Farahilda · 16/05/2017 07:44

That's a good reply.

I remember this thread when it first came up, and an a little saddened to see that your DH has given up on suggesting meeting. The only good that could have come from this whole thing is for the emails to be coming from DS (not his mother, or the two of them together) and it leading to a reunion. And it does look as if that was fake hope.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/05/2017 10:41

Excellent reply - lots of empathy and common sense but no suggestion that money will be coming

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