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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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HecateAntaia · 16/01/2017 16:48

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Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 16:26

He's back in touch apparently - OH just texted me to let me know.

Am curious to know what the latest email is scrounging for saying.

Really pissed off - it's taken OH this long to come to terms with this and manage to draw a line underneath this "relationship".

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Bringmewineandcake · 15/05/2017 16:41

Maybe he's realised the error of his ways and does want contact with his 'dad' Hmm

sashh · 15/05/2017 16:41

OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house.

But she wasn't working? So even if she put it on the market the day he left she would be in arrears.

I had been helping you financially for the last several years in the hope of building a relationship with you, and am disappointed that the extent of this has simply been financial - never actually meeting and building a father-son or any other type of connection

Did DS know this? Did he know he was expected to meet and build a relationship? At what point was he supposed to go, "OK dad has given me £x I'd better pop round for a cup of tea"

It does sound a mess but as has already been said the children were "children of the family" and he could have had contact, and he could have been ordered to pay maintenance.

SweetLuck · 15/05/2017 16:57

Oh god, after 5 months?!

ohfourfoxache · 15/05/2017 17:00

Oh no, not again Sad

BarbarianMum · 15/05/2017 17:02

I think any halfway decent adult would realise that treating someone like a cash machine wasn't on.

juneau · 15/05/2017 17:12

Your OH needs to put his (understandably painful), emotions to one side and just cut this toxic twosome off once and for all. They're milking him for whatever he'll give them and having been so generous all those years ago this ex (and her scrounging DS), see him as a soft touch. He should block them both, painful though that might be for him. He's being used, pure and simple Sad

ItsNachoCheese · 15/05/2017 17:14

Oh dear :(

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/05/2017 17:16

I wonder his ex has thought of an even more convincing story to pass on ? It would be nice to think the DS has come to his senses and wants a proper relationship at last, but somehow I doubt it Sad

EweAreHere · 15/05/2017 17:17

Don't expect it will be because he's seen the error of his ways...

He's been raised to be a user of people it seems. Apple. Tree. All that.

Your poor DH.

Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 17:22

"Please may you look at my CV and help me with how to improve it etc. Took what you said and I've tried to sort myself out, but still strugging with money having to pay phone bill/credit card off every month. On a positive note I got ! Nice presenation plate and trophy!

Still not being able to drive is having such a negative affect on my career path, rejected from so many jobs because I don't have a driving licence. Including which is my dream job - so depressing."

He still doesn't get it, does he...?? :(

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Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 17:28

He just seems to think the world owes him a living. Credit card and phone bill to pay off...?? Driving lessons expensive...? This is reality for everyone - not just him! Plus he is working and not paying rent - much better off financially than many.

Clearly no-one has told him about insurance premiums for 22 year olds, which would eclipse the initial cost of learning.

This just reads like here's my CV, I'm showing the minimum willing that I possibly can in showing I'm a responsible "adult", still not up for anything more than tapping you up for money though.

OH asks for MN's wise advise in drafting a response that basically wishes him well but in the nicest way as possible at the same time drawing a line under this whole saga or at least contact in this current money-grubbing form.

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Bittornhelp · 15/05/2017 17:32

Very well done CV though, I must say.

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Mu123 · 15/05/2017 17:32

Dear ds, please do fuck off and grow up!

PeachyPip · 15/05/2017 17:33

Im suprised he got in touch after so long Shock

Softkitty2 · 15/05/2017 17:33

He is fishing for money hoping your OH says he will pay for it.
Hope your OH is strong on this

Waltermittythesequel · 15/05/2017 17:34

I would say:

"I would be happy to take a look at your CV. It's tough starting out, but hang in there. Everyone starts somewhere."

Or something like that.

CotswoldStrife · 15/05/2017 17:35

I thought your DH had already paid for driving lessons? Did the DS fail his test or something?

Sorry he has been in touch again, I would be tempted to say something along the lines of expressing sympathy for the costs of living nowadays and how it's the same for everyone. Perhaps add a financial gripe of your own so the DS can see that not everyone apart from him is rolling in it!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/05/2017 17:35

This just reads like here's my CV, I'm showing the minimum willing that I possibly can in showing I'm a responsible "adult", still not up for anything more than tapping you up for money though

Quite so Hmm And I wouldn't worry about the insurance premiums as he probably expected your DH to pay those too

Lottielottie42 · 15/05/2017 17:40

He's 22 for gods sake and working ! No one likes paying bills but tough shit. He's totally taking the piss I'd stop even responding to anything around money and just comment on cv.

redexpat · 15/05/2017 17:41

Thats a great CV! I'm sure you will get something in no time. All the best for the future. DH.

EweAreHere · 15/05/2017 17:45

"Of course I'll have a look at your CV.

"In the meantime, stop using your credit card and cut your phone usage right down to essential use.

"Insurance to drive and owning and maintaining a actual car would be even more expensive for you than lessons, so I wouldn't worry about driving for now. Wait until you've found a job and have some money saved up. Plenty of ways to commute to a job. I highly doubt that's why you're not being offered positions. And, luckily for you, you're not having to pay rent and related bills at the moment, so saving up shouldn't be too difficult once you're working."

TheWitTank · 15/05/2017 17:46

Some of the replies above are perfect. Encouragement on the CV, all the best, sign off. I wouldn't even mention or allude to the bills/money part at all.

Chestervase1 · 15/05/2017 17:51

I think you should help and support him. As another poster said upline he could end up homeless without anyone to care for him in the near future. Whether or not his mum is reckless people do get into debt and need support. It's not all about money.