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Desperate plea for money - WWYD

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Bittornhelp · 12/01/2017 14:21

More of a WWYD really - OH and I are feeling very torn. NC'd as potentially identifying....

Sorry it's a bit long - I've tried to summarise the story to date without drip feeding - I fully appreciate that I only have OH's side of the story in this, as we only met a couple of years after much of this took place. However, we've been together ten years, and I would trust his word as he sees it.

OH separated from his first wife in 2006 - they'd been together ten years, but mostly unhappily. OH stayed so long for her two children, who were about 2 and 3 when they got together, and who he saw as his own. ExW was by all accounts not the most stable of individuals - would dramatically estrange herself from friends and family the most trivial of reasons, and was often emotionally manipulative / abusive towards OH. She also had issues with reckless expenditure - examples being blowing a £60k inheritance, and repeatedly running up credit card debt that OH at one point risked bankruptcy over in trying to pay off (just to fill in the gaps, she was a SAHM for all this period). OH paid the mortgage and put the children through private school - when they finally did split, he basically walked away with nothing. ExW immediately blocked all access to the children - and OH had no right to access, given they were neither biologically or legally his own. I know that losing access to them was and remains one of the greatest pains and regrets of his life.

A few years down the line the younger son (will call DS for ease) then about 17 or 18 got back in touch via social media - which OH was delighted by. As teens do, DS would ask for money from time to time; an uncharitable person might say he asked for money every time he was in touch. OH would always oblige - partly out of guilt at how things ended, partly in the hope that this might act as a "bridge" back into face-to-face contact one day.

Now the DS is 22, and despite having asked for and received money on an ad hoc basis for all these years (probably talking about £1,000 "pocket money" a year), has never committed to the beers or football matches etc OH has on several occasion gently suggested - contact has only ever been via email for all this time. After their last exchange when OH coughed up for driving lessons, OH decided that this would be the last time he paid out, given that DS is now an adult at 22, and the relationship he had hoped might one day result in doing so hasn't come about.

Anyway, to the dilemma at hand - the other day out of the blue we got this:

Hi Dad, would you be able to give me some more financial support ASAP, with me and mum living at 's and basically being homeless I'm seriously struggling now, got credit cards and overdrafts to pay off and I'm seriously starting to have a breakdown. I have no one else to ask and I feel bad enough having to ask.

In previous communications, he had mentioned that ExW lost the house "for no reason", and that they were then evicted from emergency accommodation because the landlord apparently "changed his mind". AFAIK, he and ExW are now crammed in with a family friend, with no prospect of moving on any time soon. The presumption is that ExW didn't keep up with mortgage or rental payments - though OH had left her with 6-figure equity in the house. OH also strongly suspects that DS has gotten himself into debt by putting his wages towards ExW's living costs, as he has said that ExW now has depression and (still) can't work. He's also said that the older sister had just escaped an abusive relationship, is now a single mum, and also has depression (I'm not sure what her living circumstances are), and that he is struggling to stay positive for everyone.

By all accounts he is and always was a nice lad - I'll admit to having a look at his Facebook profile, and he looks a lovely young man, very sporty, involved in the community and a very hand-on uncle, who it sounds has been dealt a shit hand due to ExW's financial situation and has perhaps found himself in over his head as a result.

However, he also sounds quite immature where finances are concerned, and in need more of some proper financial advice than he is more cash at this time - OH (in the right industry to advise) is more than willing to provide practical advice in how he can get best get the situation under control, and wants to ask for a face-to-face meeting to help him talk things through and advise on next steps. He's wary of providing further financial support for all the obvious reasons - i.e. potentially being played, money likely diverting towards ExW, cash in the short-term just proving a drop in the ocean, and not really helping DS in terms of life lessons in the long run anyway, etc....

That said, in DS's last communication a couple of months ago he was cheerily asking for driving lessons, not in the midst of a full-blown debt crisis - so who's to say any of the above is even true...? There wasn't even a "please"...

It's hard to know at a distance quite what to believe and what to do to help....

WWYD for the best in this situation please??

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/01/2017 15:45

His messages have it all ...

Not quite; I don't think there's been any mention of illness or legal issues?

No doubt those will be winging his way soon, but it seems to me OH's lovely DH has two choices: either put a stop to this now, or do it later anyway when he's become a lot poorer due to all the demands

princessmouldilocks · 13/01/2017 15:49

If no contact other than face book is it at all possible she's using ds profile with out ds knowledge? Arrange to meet up, and walk him through Cab and council options. No more money!!!

cricketballs · 13/01/2017 15:53

that was my thought as well princess given the communications have only been written and not voice/person is your DP certain he has actually been speaking to DS?

Headofthehive55 · 13/01/2017 16:08

The financial help did not sort him out in the past as he has only got into debt again. Therefore it didn't work.
Until you say no he won't learn. Ever.

girlelephant · 13/01/2017 16:24

OP I think the son's response says it all. I doubt if you send the new email your DH will hear from him again.

He sounds as though he just saw your kind DH as a cash machine.

HecateAntaia · 13/01/2017 16:27

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lalalonglegs · 13/01/2017 16:33

I feel so sorry for your husband, Bittorn, he's been played and it's probably going to take him a while to come to terms with it. He's done the right thing by not handing out any more money.

FabulouslyGlamourousFerret · 13/01/2017 16:47

This has made me feel really sad - step son sounds an absolute shit.

liletsthepink · 13/01/2017 17:08

Puzzled - he mentioned a nervous breakdown so illness was included!

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 17:36

Yes, he has either become a seriously manipulative little shit, or is incredibly immature and self-centered - or maybe it's ExW writing after all. Ultimately we'll probably never know - either way, none of the above are served by dishing out yet more money...

Thinking to send the below - a collation of contributions so far:

Dear DS,

After my last contribution towards driving lessons, I had decided to decline any further requests for financial assistance, now that you are a working adult.

I had been helping you financially for the last several years in the hope of building a relationship with you, and am disappointed that the extent of this has simply been financial - never actually meeting and building a father-son or any other type of connection.

I know that you feel that me giving you money in the short-term would help, but I know from experience that it wouldn't - clearly it hasn't sorted you out previously, or you would not be in this same situation now. In your last email, you said you were on the verge of a breakdown - I'd have thought if things were really that bad, you'd want to prioritise a meet-up and getting practical help as soon as possible, rather than asking for money and saying you'd be prepared to see me only later down the line once you have time available.

I've offered my help and you know where I am. I will always be happy to advise when you are ready to tackle the big picture and get things under control.

Love,

Dad x

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Scarydinosaurs · 13/01/2017 17:42

I don't think you can say more than that.

Have you ever suspected it isn't his son messaging, but his mother?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/01/2017 17:42

he mentioned a nervous breakdown so illness was included!

You're absolutely right - I missed that bit Blush

I now see that he said he's starting to have a breakdown; quite clever, that, in that it gives the tantalizing possibility of ramping up the accounts of the horror happening to him (obviously no offence intended to anyone with genuine MH problems)

Like so many others, I really do hope the DH doesn't give in to this ...

Dulcimena · 13/01/2017 18:16

Bittorn I really feel for you and your OH, but step away, both of you. Your OH will never get the relationship he wants. I'm sorry.

CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 13/01/2017 18:40

Am i correct, OP, in thinking that in the however many years your OH has been giving him money - he never once met him or spoke to him over the phone?

If so then that's Shock

Bittornhelp · 13/01/2017 20:28

Yes, correct.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 13/01/2017 21:28

It could have been exw all along couldn't it? Sad

Questioningeverything · 14/01/2017 21:42

Any response?

Bittornhelp · 15/01/2017 09:52

None strangely enough!

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Dulcimena · 15/01/2017 18:47

So sorry, OP. Hope your OH is doing ok.

Bittornhelp · 16/01/2017 11:13

Thanks all - I still wouldn't be surprised if something nasty / grabby comes through at some point though.

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Mix56 · 16/01/2017 11:57

In view of how this evolves this has to be the XW surely ?

LagunaBubbles · 16/01/2017 12:29

Your poor DH.

Bittornhelp · 16/01/2017 12:43

It could be either, tbh.

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Bittornhelp · 16/01/2017 12:43

ExW would have sent something vile by now!

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Backt0Black · 16/01/2017 13:04

He's a manipulative narcissist who feels he has a right to use your DH to supplement his lack of money management.

He's 22! I left home and kept a house and managed to get myself to work at 16. On an apprentice wage of £5 an hour!!!

His communications are clever and really play on DH's sense Of duty and it's quite intentional. DH needs to cut this off now. I have a BIL similar who at the age of 40 has all his bills paid and £800 a month 'pocket money' be deploying the same manipulation.