to think it is too late to tell me she is now vegeterian?

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having 2 couples round for dinner tonight. this was arranged about 3 weeks ago.

just had text message from Mrs W

"hi lists just to let you know I decided to turn vegeterian just before Christmas.. so no meat, fish, gelatine , meat fat etc. Thanks."

AIBU to serve jersey a tin of macaroni cheese while everyone else enjoys starter of smoked salmon followed by roast lamb and all the trimmings?

OP- how did last night go in the end?

Yes daily because being veggie is sooooo much healthier.

Most veggies I know live on cheesey chips and fried food.

Yosciencebitch- I think it's proven that you only seem to know the weird vegetarians?

DailyFail1, I do this all the time. I've made lasagne/chilli/spag bol with Quorn mince for years as I can't stand the smell of mince. I made a sausage casserole with Quorn sausages the other day and my meat eating daughter refused to believe they weren't meat till I showed her the packets.

Although DH and I are veggie, my kids are omni and guess what, they haven't died from barely ever getting meat. DH and DS like bean-y lentil-y quinoa-y stuff and vegetable curries. DD likes plain food, lots of tomato-y things, and very few actual vegetables. I like most Quorn/Linda/manufactured crap and lots of vegetables (except I'm allergic to peppers). I manage to feed us all with very little trouble.

I'm Hindu. Everyone I know is vegetarian. They all eat really, really healthily. Lots of veg. Occasional splurge on fried food is ok.

No not weird, but they're veggie coz they don't like meat rather than ethical reasons. For ethical reasons I think you should be full vegan otherwise what's the point? You're still contributing to poor treatment of animals by consuming milk and cheese and eggs.

Exactly kitkats. Try poaching the Quorn fillets like you would chicken and putting it into huge veg salad - I've been told it's indistinguishable from chicken.

TO be fair I am a student which will explain the fried food

Milk cheese and eggs are not always from animals that have been treated poorly?

A lot of the time they are. Even the free range stuff isn't always as ethical as you think.

Yosciencebitch- most people aren't vegetarian for 'ethical' reasons though. The majority of the world's veggie populations are veggie because of religious reasons - ie because they are Hindu or Buddhist. And those religions come from countries where being veggie means different things. In India being a vegetarian means no eggs but allows dairy and so religious Hindus will follow accordingly. In India you also have Jainism - a really strict 'ethical' veganism that bans eggs, all dairy, and all veg grown in the ground (because it kills creatures). However the Thai side of my family are also vegetarian (Buddhist) and allow eggs and fish. Not sure why, probably a feature of Buddhism in that part of Thailand.

A lot of bollocks being talked on this thread.

By you mostly.

CauliflowerSqueeze is that actually a question or a statement?

No, eggs are not always from animals that have been treated poorly. If you have your own chickens or know someone that does, then the chickens are presumably treated pretty well.

The dairy farming industry as a whole is morally questionable, but that is up to an individual's conscience as to how they can or can't rationalise it.

I'm not a great moral crusader when it comes to my vegetarianism. I don't eat meat or fish or any by-products thereof, like gelatine or cheese made with rennet. I eat free range eggs, preferably from chickens I know are well looked after, but from a supermarket if necessary. I drink barely any milk, just in 1-2 coffees a day, as I don't like it. I eat rennet free cheese. I drink vegetarian wine. I don't however, make a song and dance about it, as you can bet your life someone will randomly tell me I'm doing it wrong, however hard I try to adhere to my principles.

"By you mostly"

Where?

Being vegetarian is not 'attention seeking'

Not it isn't but announcing it 6 hours before you turn up at someones house for a meal is rude, inconsiderate and may be considered attention seeking depending on the personality of the person doing it.

To those that use Quorn instead of meat in a meal - great that you can't taste the difference, but please tell people before you give it to them, rather than a smug 'ta-dah, you didn't notice' afterwards - some folks have a very unpleasant reaction to it.

kit kat I guess it's a tentative statement.
I haven't researched farms in detail to know how ethical they all are. I assume that free range and organic is going to be about as good as it gets for my purchases.
yoscience has stated that people who are not vegan "contribute to the poor treatment of animals" and I would say that that is not very fair.

My DD is cooking a roast for everyone today - she whatsapped me earlier to say do i want just the roasties and veggies, or can i bring something else as she hasn't got anything in (it wasn't planned). I've been vegetarian for 15 years and my family know that i prefer to cook my own as i know its safe. I have had several meals cooked for me using veg or quorn that someone unthinkingly adds meat stock to . Now i take my own, everyone's relaxed especially me.

Jolie, if that was to me, I never cook for anyone apart from family. I wouldn't sneak it in if I was cooking for someone else, as it contains egg, fungus and gluten, all common allergens.

In that case given the short notice the guest should bring her own vegetarian meal
You can offer her the veggies,bread etc that are already accompanying the meal but I wouldn't prepare a vegetarian meal for her
I am vegetarian,have been since I was 18yo.no way Should she land this on you at short notice- rude and self centred

Sorry Kitkat, not you, think it was DailyFail (on the app so difficult to find names sometimes). But more anyone that didn't realise and would be tempted to sub for a dinner party without telling their guests.

Ok Cauliflower, that's what I thought you were saying.

I actually agree with what YoScience is saying, in that the only way to fully avoid contributing to animal cruelty is to go vegan. I tried it for about 6 months and found it really hard. This is why I rarely spout off about my vegetarianism, as morally veganism is far better.

It's really dickish to try to trick somebody into eating meat. It's
slightly less dickish to trick somebody into eatingvegetarian food because you're unlikely to do it if they weren't being dicks in the first place. But it is still dickish.

kitkats yes that what I was trying to say in a round about way.
I have no problem with vegetarians, have lots of veggie friends and will happily cook vegetarian for them. But I don't want to be told I'm not to eat meat with my meal when I'm with them, and I don't want to be preached to on ethics when they're sat there eating scrambled eggs with cheese. My vegan friend is the only one I have discussions with on it.