To think it's actually a lie when argue that suicide is always a selfish act, that others get hurt by it?

[ChristmasFuckOff]

Firstly, MNHQ as you always comment on these threads - this isn't somebody making a post about being suicidal. I'm not. Dunno why not because I probably should be and maybe I will be later this week but right now...no.

I'm sick of all the stuff out there saying how if somebody commits suicide, there will be people devastated. That it's always selfish. Often people who are suicidal say they don't want to be a burden, is that not actually a reasonable argument?

I think a lot of people out there, with friends and family, can't seem to understand there are others out there who literally don't have good relationships. So it doesn't affect anyone else.

I lost a relative to suicide, and somehow the thing about suicide being selfish got flipped round in my head. I ended up feeling that if they were so much happier in death then I must have been one of their burdens so therefore it was selfish of me to grieve. I am not in any way saying that this is rational or that anyone else should feel this, I am just saying how I reacted.

I definitely don't work in a hospital.

Mental health problems are very prevalent in prisons.

Fruit massive respect to you, that must be challenging to say the least.

My friend hasn't long been out (alcohol related) she did really well inside. Successful detox and ended up helping new detainees. She's out and drinking again I could wring her bloody neck.

Sorry - but so a stranger finds a body . Of a stranger . It's no different to finding the corpse of someone murdered , or someone that dies if exposure . I am truly sorry that they are traumatized but it's the corpse rather than the manner of their death surely ?

Likewise the poor woman who's father abused her . Surely her trauma is mainly down to the awful acts he perpetrated on her -

Op - I won't even try and minimize or send advice your way that would be insulting but I do thank you for raising this topic .

I really apologies if I am min inising experiences based on 1 para . I just see where OP is coming from that's all

Some things can't be fixed . There are no drugs and no effective therapies for what some people have

And sorry again if I have seen to minimize anyone's trauma

Unborn I had a friend like that . I am sorry to say but aged 44 she died of massive organ failure . She was so sick and her life what such an existence that I was not surprised she died . I am however desperately sad that something (late teen years ) put her on that path . Addiction is horrible for the family it's just helpless and feels selfish and painful and awful

What stopfucking said.

Without the apologies that relate to finding a body in general.

Wasn't being clear there.

What I meant that is that finding bodies is what happens, so why special case for the awfulness of suicide defies understanding.

What I meant that is that finding bodies is what happens, so why special case for the awfulness of suicide defies understanding.

I don't think a lot of people understand just how violent some suicides are. The shock that someone could ever be so at their mental end as to do that to themselves never dissipates, no matter how many suicides you get called to.

Murders are horrific too, of course, but it's horrific in a different way.

I think suicidal people see it as a selfless act - ridding the world of themselves, so it can be a better place & their loved ones will be better off without them

I feel it is selfish, in terms of the definition states it's self serving, self centred, but if you are in such a dark place that's probably all you can be. As a nurse I would say any death is incredibly hard for the family, even people with cancer who choose not to have further treatment can be considered selfish by some as they're not willing to fight the disease. That is just pain felt by others at the thought of losing someone they love. So taking your life is that hard to come to terms with, as it's others guilt possibly that they couldn't prevent it. My sister who was a MH nurse would say some people just cannot continue regardless of the help provided, but that's still too hard to comprehend for some. I hope you can recover from these thoughts Xx