To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

I dont believe in this new definition of feminism (men hating)

Where did you find that definition?

Men who have come out saying they are feminists, are they also men haters?

Lots of the posters are bullies and are very good at driving posters off their boards who do not agree with them. Any reasonable discussion is impossible. true feminism is surely about equality for all? By and large, posters on the feminist boards do not believe in equality. There was a discussion about mental health and I pointed out that suicide is the biggest cause of death amongst young men (which it is). Posters denied the statistics even when supported by sources and also threw in comments along the lines of men deserve it. if you look back at history there was loads of cruelty and mistreatment of minority groups yet nobody suggests 200 years later tracking down families involved in very historical abuse. Yet there is much talk of men today deserving any thing bad that happens to them (male dominated illnesses etc).
I believe the feminist boards shut down any open discussion as soon as it starts. There is a bullying , hectoring culture. Not nice.

And what outcome do you want? Do you want a world in which men and women have equal power to abuse, so it's divided up 50/50 - or a world in which no one abuses?

I've been raped so I would like a world without abuse. Do you think feminists are striving for a world where we have more abuse, seriously? Go to the boards and read the threads, educate yourself.

Just

Where have you got man hating from please?

I have a son, a husband and a brother so it would be quite problematic if I hated men.

Hahaha this thread is hilarious!!!
Personal favourite: The problem with 'feminism' as on the boards here is that it was unrecognisable to my late mother, an ardent feminist.
Nailed it!

Yes, we, in the west, may be in the last phases of the struggle for equality.

We're really not. Come on now, a self-confessed sex offender was just democratically* elected POTUS and the press are now falling over themselves to erase everything he said and did before November 2016 and frame him as a reasonable human being.

*Kind of

I'm st on the sofa with my husband and he made himself a cup of tea but didn't make me one. I am a bit cross, does that make me a man hater?

Hannah - All your rebuttals so far seem to be along the lines of your inability to be able to think outside of your own experience - e.g. "I've never been discriminated against at work so therefore it isn't a problem" "my husband shares jobs with me so all these feminists bleating about unfair labour division must have got it wrong," "I don't have to worry about domestic abuse/abortion/etc so why should anyone else?"

You seem to find it hard to empathise with anyone who has a slightly different experience to you. Surely you must realise that while lots of issues might not affect you personally they do affect others and are therefore worth fighting and campaigning for?

Feminism is very diverse - not everyone who identifies as a feminist believes the exact same things. There are whole ranges as in any other political movement. It's fine to think that you don't personally support some feminist issues -in the same way you can support a political party but not agree with all their objectives (e.g. voting Conservative but not approving of the bedroom tax, for example). However saying "I don't have the exact same values as every feminist ever therefore I can't be one and they're also wrong and feminism is pointless" is nonsense.

Arfarfanarf

So you want user to be more accurate? yet you're happy for this to stand?

Not all men are rapists but all rapists are men

Just be honest feminists and just say you dont want equality but advantage and I can understand that and then I'd shut up, its the hypocrisy I cant stand.

Phew, I have tea now so All Is Okay.

I don't agree. Feminism is all things to all kinds of people on here and it is a very important it remains a topic.

Very few feminists whether male or female hate men. My feminism is as much about equality for men as women. My sons are feminists. They and I don't hate men.

No feminism is not about equality for all. It is about ending the oppression of women by men.
Equality pretends we are all the same. We are not. If we had equality there would be no womens and mens separate athletics at the olympics, and men would win all the prizes.

Posters denied the statistics even when supported by sources and also threw in comments along the lines of men deserve it

Really. - can you link to any comments which said 'men deserve it'?

Feminism is very diverse - not everyone who identifies as a feminist believes the exact same things

Being male is very diverse - not everyone who is male believes the exact same things, but were told by feminists we do unless of course we agree with all the bullshit everything they say

I don't think you can argue that because not all feminists campaign on a particular issue then any action taken by some feminists doesn't count,which seems implied by the what are feminists doing - x - well,not many of them argument.
And it feeds back to the little stuff - IMO the boys stuff/ girls stuff issues are linked at the extreme to boys viewing girls as sex objects.The " low" level harassment that women face in everyday life is linked at its extreme to a disregard for consent.
This is why the little stuff is important. ( and no I'm not saying any bloke who cat calls at a woman is a rapist...)

High rates of suicide in men have a lot to do with (IMO - having worked in mental health) harmful ideas of masculinity meaning many men are unable to cope with high levels of emotion.

All of you complaining that feminism is too bogged down in trivial issues - such as boys wear blue girls wear pink - do you really not see how harmful gender stereotypes are all part of this idea of masculinity which massively contributes to high male suicide rates? It's all cyclical. I saw a 6 month old baby boy the other day at baby sensory wearing a top which said "tough like Daddy" which frankly says it all.

I'm st on the sofa with my husband and he made himself a cup of tea but didn't make me one. I am a bit cross, does that make me a man hater?

No, you should immediately LTB.

I'm not saying that aren't feminists doing those things - just that most of them aren't. The big public campaigns are just slut walks and crap like that.

Do you really think whoever runs Youporn or whatever is frightened of feminists? Most of them are too busy having debates about armpit hair and executive pay to bother about him. Gail Dines is one of the only feminists who is against really porn and capitalism. Lots of feminists these days are pro-porn, crypto-Thatcherite, individualist liberals who are more concerned with making lots of money for themselves in their chosen careers than collectively changing society at a structural level. In fact, pretty much everyone on 'the left' is the same these days.

Oh just you are a bloke are you!

Not confirming or denying what has gender got to do with my arguments?

Keep fighting the good fight my feminist sisters. I've got a Christmas gathering to dread attend.

*my gender

iloveeverykindofcat

That was the bit that you had a problem with?
Women's rights may go better and worse in cycles, hopefully towards better.
It's still true that we have moved quite a lot.
The "may" in the sentence was an acknowledgement that some people think that we've almost reached equality. But that it may not quite be so.
And "last phases" (plural) doesn't mean we're there at all.

But, yes, the election of a certain a certain sex offender is certainly a set back.

No feminism is not about equality for all. It is about ending the oppression of women by men

It's the same thing. If women weren't oppressed by the patriarchy, then men and women would be equal.

Equal doesn't mean the same. When we say "equal opportunities" we don't mean 'treat everyone the same' we mean 'remove the barriers in place to ensure equality of access'.

Lots of feminists these days are pro-porn, crypto-Thatcherite, individualist liberals who are more concerned with making lots of money for themselves in their chosen careers than collectively changing society at a structural level.

Self-proclaimed feminists. I wouldn't define that as feminism, personally. I call it feminism-lite. A lot of the women I meet as first year undergrads espouse these views (as I did at their age) and typically change them as they progress in their education.