To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

Also those of you saying we complain too much about "trivial" issues don't seem to realise those tiny, trivial, boys wear blue and girls wear pink issues all play in massively to shit like domestic violence, rape and FGM (presumably you don't think those are trivial issues).

I just think when people say oh stop moaning, we've come a long way - well isn't that essentially saying oh just shut up and be grateful?

Not good enough for me. Not good enough for my sisters.

Feminist boards can be particularly intolerant of anyone who questions the consensus. Ironically, just like MRA's - or any tech-clique that insists on echo chamber agreement rather than an open discussion that accommodates opposing viewpoints.

Feminists appear to want equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity and would happily take that advantage I'm sure.

If you are as bothered as you say about genital mutilation then wouldnt that mean you would also view circumcision in the same way but no youre being sexist by only focusing on FGM

So women are paid less? So if that is the case (it isnt) then in the current global economic model wouldnt all jobs be done by women just from a cost effective point?

And nobody here was even criticising first wave or second wave feminism, its this bullshit third wave and intersectionality feminism is the cancer? Try helping the women in the middle east? No, but headbands on baby's thats a fight that needs having

What iamdaft said. With bells on.

Just another if millions of infant boys were routinely having the head and a third of their peons shaft removed without anaesthetic or sterile environments you might begin to have a point.

Penis's

Sorry. Is this supposed to be a thread?

Strong re-read my post and I still have a point I'm afraid

Reported.

Can't understand why this is still here tbh...

Look, in some ways I can understand what you mean. In an other way I can't, not at all.

Feminists aren't this monolithic blog. Some do get upset by petty shit, others aren't.

Do I call myself a feminist? No, I don't. Although I probably technically am.
Why don't I call myself feminist? Because it's a label that encompass such a broad spectrum of ideas and ideologies.
I myself do my best to 'walk and talk' equality everyday. But I'm not politically active or anything, so I don't want to add that '-ist'.

As for the girl vs women.. I have been called a girl by a guy on a date. The date was over. I'm not saying he has an unhealthy fixation on girls. But I am saying that it is infantilising and that I don't want that in a relationship.
I don't call DH a boy either, right?
DD is a girl (well, a baby, but also a girl). I am a woman. DH is a man. I'm not a girl he isn't a boy.

So women are paid less? So if that is the case (it isnt

As a women, do you think you stand as much chance of a man in your career as earning the same amount?

If not, why not? Is it because of the choices that you make when it comes to your children? Either a forced choice or an expected choice to work less hours and to balance your work and family?

What job were you 'steered towards'? Was the career you were going for one that is more likely to attract women (and why's that?) and one that pays less than one that is more likely to attract men?

Does your career expect you to work hard, be available in the evenings and at weekends? Do they frown at you if you take time off for sick children?

At school, what subjects were you encouraged towards? How did the teachers treat you as a woman? Were you ignored in class?

What messages did society give you? How do you define success? What does it mean to be a good mum? What do your friends define as a good mum?

Did you feel guilty about leaving your children in childcare? How did your friends make you feel?

Was your DH expected to work full time? Did society judge him for being part time? What did he want to do?

etc etc

I think its a valid thread, but as always if you dont agree with the feminists shut it down

Reported.

Can't understand why this is still here tbh...

It's rather ironic she started this thread given the level of support she received on her xmas shift working thread.

Which particular thread made you lol op? The ones about domestic violence? I almost lost my life when my abusive ex attacked me, it's not really very funny you know. The rape threads, I've been raped and I certainly didn't lol either at the time or afterwards.

Educate yourself and stop being so monumentally stupid.

hth

Sooo, has the OP seen the error of her ways yet?

This thread at best was ill-advised, ill-informed and very very naice, or goady to the nth degree

I never used to think that it was required of me to be a feminist (because woman before me had done the hard bit and I lived an 'equal' life and 'had it all'), but I learnt...
And the feminism boards on here are an education - I am always learning, and am truly grateful to many posters there who take the time to engage with somebody as wishy-washy as me

First world problems? I really really don't think so!

I hope the thread stands, always an eye opener to see all that internalised misogyny spewing out.

Dame so if we dont support feminists we agree with what happened to you?

Just some of us feel equally strongly about male circumcision too. However, there are occasions when male circumcision is done for health reasons (less so nowadays, fortunately) but FGM is wholly done to preserve the woman's purity for her man and for his sexual pleasure. The motivations are completely different.

I don't have any sympathy for male circumcision done for religious or cultural reasons either.

Some of us do campaign for/support the rights of women overseas too. But just because we're further along the journey in this country, doesn't mean there isn't still a road left to walk.

I firmly believe that outcomes for men are also improved by feminism.

Try helping the women in the middle east? No, but headbands on baby's thats a fight that needs having

You can actually care about both you know, it is possible

Why are boys circumcised? And why do girls undergo FGM? Answer me those questions if you wouldn't mind.

I don't agree with circumcision. It's cruel.

It is not however a product of a society which views mens' rights, needs and desires as at best a nuisance and at worst totally irrelevant, and men themselves as worthless.

Lots of people say that the threads on FWR are OTT.

But no one ever seems to give some examples.

Dame so if we dont support feminists we agree with what happened to you? hmm

Why would you not support equality for women??

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The thing is though, feminists focus increasingly little on things like FGM, rape and DM, and more and more on shit about baby cards or whether some very privileged women on an already massive salary get a pay rise or not. And very rarely do you find them showing them much concern for the predominantly female workforce that cleans their offices and their boardrooms once they've gone home to their fancy houses. And even when they do focus on more serious issues, it is with no idea what to do about them.

What are feminists going to do about rape exactly? That could involve addressing the sexual exploitation of women and the raising of boys to see women as sex objects. Why don't they go and campaign for regulation of the porn industry which exploits and harms vulnerable women all over the world then? Why don't you ever see that?

Instead all you see feminists campaigning for is crap like this, or going on slut walks.

iwww.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/niche-porn-sites-sex-spanking-website-videos-pornography

as always if you dont agree with the feminists shut it down

Yes that's right isn't it, feminists are such a huge powerful part of society with so much influence over politics and social justice it's impossible to talk over them isn't it!!

Oh wait.

I still want to know why threads on rape, domestic violence and the murder of women are funny.

By the way, feminists gave you the right to vote. Feminists created the first women's refuges. They fought to make marital rape a crime- did you realise that until 1991 men could rape their wives with impunity and in many countries they still can?

I have read through the whole thread and still can't find the OP's answer to the above.