To lol at the feminism threads....

[Hannah4banana]

Seriously are people constantly looking out for a way to be offended first world problems!

Larry my post hasn't been deleted and if it does get removed I'll make sure to repost it in a way that can't upset the menz and behave like the good girl I'm conditioned to be .

I said it would have been were the sexes transposed. It won't be because being offensive and personal is allowed against a man. So steering clear of personal offence and following the site's posting guidelines is 'being a good little girl'. Really!

What a strange thread to start. Seems to have had the desired effect though.

Women's is a first, second and third world country issue.

The ironic thing is is that a lot of these areas where men are disadvantaged is a result of the patriarchy and could actually be solved/helped with feminism.

I help with a football team in their pre-teens, and I've to call the boys on for telling others they run like a girl, when they have a girl in their team that's better than most.
Why is running like a girl seen as inferior? Or why is not running well seen as like a girl?
Female things are still seen as inferior and less deserving.

He's a despicable man who has actively tried to block the domestic violence bill. Childish name calling yes but really I don't give a fuck.

I don't mind a debate about the issues but I am certainly sexism exists (and of course also against men too). I want fairness for both genders.

Feminism is only a few threads on there and the feminism threads can easily be ignored by those who don't like them. It's well known I didn't take much time off for having babies and went back full time and as a result earn a fair bit. Plenty of men and women do make that choice but even with shared parental leave it remains harder for women who have children (1 in 4 or 5 women never has a child remember too) than men for a raft of reasons to keep their career going, not least because they often feel they not their husband should be at home.

There have been important equal pay cases in places like Liverpool in relation to lower paid men and women. We have certainly made a lot progress since the 1930s from which time I still have a newspaper article reporting my grandfather's proposal local councillor and JP) that male doctors be given jobs locally over women as the men had families to support and there was the great depression, but things are still not equal for men and women.

Women will keep fighting for fairness and equality, thankfully.

amis I mean that even in these supposedly enlightened, leftwing circles, women do the bulk of the childcare and domestic labour, allowing men to maintain their demanding careers and enjoy being family men when it suits them. I'll never forget when I was 19, an undergrad at Cambridge (not saying this to brag for context that the glass ceiling goes all the way up) and my supervisor left to have a baby. She came back at the end of the year for the garden party and my friend and I were amusing her 10-month old. Having previously declared that I would never have kids, I said jokingly to my friend:
"Well, perhaps I'd like to be a parent part time, when it suits, you know?"
And our supervisor overheard, leaned in and said:
"You should become a father."

Yabu to use the term "lol".

Does it really make you audibly laugh?

He's a despicable man who has actively tried to block the domestic violence bill

He spoke for 78 minutes going through Article by Article in great detail about why he did not want the House to ratify the Convention on Domestic Violence and violence against women.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-12-16/debates/F7A014D2-125B-4D18-A2EC-D92E64276CA4/PreventingAndCombatingViolenceAgainstWomenAndDomesticViolence(RatificationOfConvention)Bill

"Is my hon. Friend arguing that there is no point in doing something that is a good thing, unless it solves all the problems of the world"

And now he's on the equalities committee.

He was asked why he was trying to block a good thing.

women do the bulk of the childcare and domestic labour, allowing men to maintain their demanding careers and enjoy being family men when it suits them

Do you think a man who has a demanding career and sees little of their children 'has it all?"

No, but I think they get a hell of a better deal than women.

What honeylulu said. It's the 'our way or the highway' attitude on the feminism board that made me avoid it like the plague afer one attempt at a discussion too. One comment slightly contrary to the apparently predermined agenda of the thread and I was called an 'idiotic mysoginistic patriarchy lover'. This, in my view, does the feminism movement no favours. If we want to educate and encourage more women to be active in the movement then that isn't the way to go.

No, but I think they get a hell of a better deal than women

If you wanted to be a Professor and a mum, what do you think you would need to do? I am sure there are professors who are mums - but I bet they have to make a lot of compromises, have a supportive partner, not be as involved in their kids lives as much as they want.

OR - society could change and value people (including professors) who want to balance work and family life and still have a rewarding career. Unfortunately, working life and a professional life favours those who work full time and put their work before family.

Which is why we need feminism and an awareness of these issues.

It's the 'our way or the highway' attitude on the feminism board that made me avoid it like the plague afer one attempt at a discussion too

I've not found them that way at all.

It's the 'our way or the highway' attitude on the feminism board that made me avoid it like the plague afer one attempt at a discussion too

Me neither. I've always found them welcoming and very knowledgable.

That was meant to be in quotes ^^

If any man expects a woman to slave away domestically on his behalf, then he is obviously wrong. But things are changing. Younger women now out-earn men.

I personally would much rather be a house husband than spend my life slaving away in an insecure job to pay my rent, expecting to die in a situation of relative poverty at the end of it. As I do at present.

I don't quite get this idea that all men have lots of power. I have very little. I'm not complaining, just stating.

Well, yes - I think we agree! I'm saying that as the situation stands, it is practically impossible for women to have both. It's more or less an a or b choice (with a few exceptions), and its a choice one has to make relatively early in life. The women in my family go through menopause early. If I was going to change my mind, I don't have long in which to do it, and part of me thinks 'what if....?' but then I wonder if I'd resent the child which would be horribly unfair. I suppose I'm sticking with my choice, but I'm starting to feel the cost. Whereas men very frequently have kids without sacrificing enough of their career that they make professor well before retirement age.

'I've not found them that way at all.'

Perhaps I had a bad experience or perhaps you happened to agree with them so they didn't feel the need to shout you down? I found the women on the thread I was on patronising, sarcastic and cliquey in a 'ooh goody a new one who doesn't know our rules to take the piss out of' way. I didn't exactly feel the sisterhood. There was a lot of 'Have you not read the works of the feminist...?? Gah!' etc. It was all very elitist, snooty and dismissive of any opinion other than their own.

Totally agree op , it smacks of looking for things to be offended about to seem important, we've come a long way in terms of equality in recent years and some of the things I've read on the feminism board make women look a bit ott and silly and centre of universe.

it is practically impossible for women to have both

There are women (and men) who have a high flying career and children.BUT do they have a decent family life?

Can anyone have a high flying career and a decent family life?

No I've had disagreements there a fair few times. Ok sometimes people have been arsey but that's not exclusive to the feminism boards, you get that all over mumsnet.

some of the things I've read on the feminism board make women look a bit ott and silly and centre of universe

Such as? I've often read this but it's rare to see some examples

we've come a long way in terms of equality in recent years and some of the things I've read on the feminism board make women look a bit ott and silly and centre of universe.

Care to give examples of how we've come a long way? When two women a week are still being killed by men?

We've come a long way in resent years

Have we?? For all the reasons I posted up thread I think it's fair to say 2016 has been one great backslide in terms of women's rights. It's been dismal.* *