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AIBU to refuse and boycott the 'xmas gifts list' idea?

153 replies

Schoolisback1973 · 16/12/2016 03:06

I am not sure if I am being strong headed/aibu here but my sis says so..
For xmas I always used to buy whatever I thought my nieces and nephews would love within my budget.Ok, maybe I have missed once or twice and got the wrong gift.. I love the idea of choosing their gifts and surprising them but in the last couple of years my DSils have decided to create 'gifts lists' for their kids and pass it around the family. I guess the kids get exactly what they want which is a good thing but I have a couple of issues with this.
They are both wealthy and not very reasonable with it. On the list, you'll find a doll for £110 for DN, a pair of PUMA for £85 and it goes on. The cheapest item is £50.. I am a single mum on a low income and would like to spend most of my christmas budget on my own DD (9). I am angry that they don't see that its not the fair thing to do.. They are buying for 1. I have to buy for 8.
They have been asking all week about their lists and also DD's but I refuse to discuss it. I would like to do this my own way. Don't want the stress pressure. I just can't afford it and may be I am too embarrassed to say it..
My sister thinks IABU for not doing the same and telling DSILs what DD would like. She says she is happy to share the cost for all the kids gifts..I am not comfortable with that either.. Its still bloody too much..
Is this common? IABU?
What would you do??

OP posts:
EverySongbirdSays · 16/12/2016 08:23

Songbird please explain

Veruca Salt the spoilt child from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?

"Don't care how I want it now"

The idea that because MY DC WANTS X, other people are obliged to provide it

Children are developing a skewed view of how the world works because of the PFB mentality that is now actually absorbing other people into it and encouraging them to join you in making sure your childs every materialistic whim is met.

What next?

Birthday invites that come with a prescribed list of gifts, and your DC can't come if you don't buy off the list or they get picked on because everyone else got the Birthday Child something they ACTUALLY WANTED and your DC didn't?

Because that's where this mentality is headed, I wouldn't be surprised if there already has been an AIBU in this vein.

Am sure I heard a tale, though I can't remember where of all the Mums whose DC were invited to a party being asked to collectively purchase a Kindle.

lovelearning · 16/12/2016 08:24

I won't spoil for you what happens to her at the paws of Willy Wonka's squirrels!!

lovelearning's Christmas Gift List: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Thanks listsandbudgets!

SEsofty · 16/12/2016 08:27

Perhaps a good rule of thumb is that if you don't know someone well enough to know roughly what sort of things they are into eg dolls, farm animals, craft. Then shouldn't be buying present in the first place

Mouseinahole · 16/12/2016 08:27

I ask for lists from dgc and am asked my budget. This is especially helpful for teens. I''d never heard of Zoella for example!

expatinscotland · 16/12/2016 08:28

I would give them money in a card. And tell your sister you cannot afford those £50 gifts. Ridiculous.

AutumnalLeaves38 · 16/12/2016 08:29

junebirthdaygirl

Thoroughly agree with everything you mentioned.

(And it sounds like you and your extended family are doing a wonderful job of raising appreciative and lovely kids/ young adults) Xmas Smile

Krampus · 16/12/2016 08:31

Lists can be a useful tool if handled in the right way. Sending out one unrequested with nothing but expensive gifts isn't the right way.

If my sister sister suggested we go halves on a present that was meant to be only from me? I would have laughed in her face. Kids have to know that they will get a range of gifts. They're not all going to be AMAZING.

I like the idea of £10 to £20 in a card, or shows how much you can spend and kids do love some Christmas money. You shouldn't be embarrassed to say the gift list items are too much but it sounds like she will try and talk you into part payment for trainers.

pishedoff · 16/12/2016 08:31

I make an Amazon list for both of my sons, My in laws love it as they have absolutely no idea what to buy. They used to ask me to buy something then give me the money but at least this way they get to choose.

I try and have items ranging between £5-£30. There's a few more expensive bits but I put them there for me to buy!

I don't buy off lists but I'm quite imaginative when it comes to present buying so I like to think about it myself , I understand others struggle though.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 16/12/2016 08:34

I find myself shocked at the entitled culture on MN sometimes, that the DC should have what they want at all times and WOE BETIDE anyone who doesn't go along with that

THIS x 1000

I can just about see the point of lists if they include every price bracket and if the hopeful writers wait to be asked rather than brandishing it around - but it doesn't stop there does it? Sooner or later a grabfest develops, with all the tired old excuses about "just wanting to help the buyers out" and the rest of the claptrap

Whatever happened to just being grateful for what you're given ... when did all this ugliness replace it??

Katy07 · 16/12/2016 08:36

I think gift lists are a great idea (providing they have a range of prices) - no wasting your money on something that won't be used, recipient gets something they want (which surely should be the aim of gift giving?!), no wasting time racking your brains desperately trying to think of something appropriate (and still getting it wrong). I know it's supposed to be the thought that counts but I'd rather know that someone (including me) had cared enough to get a suitable present rather than any old something or something that only the giver liked. I don't think having a list available (and giving it to people like relatives who always buy presents) is grabby - it's just organised and making it easier all round. There's nothing worse than asking someone for ideas and being told 'you don't need to bother buying me anything' (when you know damn well they're buying for you & you'll be expected to reciprocate) or 'anything you buy will be lovely' (really, you'd love a pair of roller skates even though you've just had a hip replacement? Excellent!).

winewolfhowls · 16/12/2016 08:38

I think the way to go is to suggest a theme, thus the buyer can keep within budget and have the enjoyment of choosing a present.

Aunt: what type of thing does dd want for xmas?
Me: anything crafty / any books with animals / something outdoorsy

I most definitely do not believe in lists for adults or children in any Form

lovelearning · 16/12/2016 08:45

your DC can't come if you don't buy off the list

I know of a little girl who kept a party invitation from her mother, because she knew they couldn't afford a present. Mum only found out from another parent: "DD's not going to that birthday party - we couldn't possibly afford a present!" Sad

"NO PRESENTS PLEASE" should be standard for children's party invitations.

EverySongbirdSays · 16/12/2016 08:47

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TragicallyUnbeyachted · 16/12/2016 08:53

*I have noticed more posters on here saying "Oh we do Amazon lists and its great"

I think it's bloody rude, and grabby, and I can't see my position on that changing.

Why does everyone suddenly think that children have the absolute right to not just offer an idea... book, LEGO, but to specify exactly what item and what brand and what price*

(a) Because without a list you get more than one copy of the same thing. The beauty of an online wish list is that once someone's bought something it disappears from the list so no one else will buy it. I remember one Christmas nearly twenty years ago when four different people bought my SIL the exact same gift.

(b) That's not how wish lists work. It's possible to add an "idea" to an Amazon wishlist -- plenty of people in my family put up a picture and a rambling comment that explains what they like about it to act as inspiration (this year, for example, I've made one of my sister's gifts (she has a near-Christmas birthday, too) based on one of those wishlist items. Even if you ARE linking to a specific item rather than a general idea you can link to another website that has it cheaper than Amazon, and it's also perfectly possible for the purchaser to buy the item elsewhere and then mark it off as bought (Amazon wishlists have a specific button for that), so there's no compulsion on price (even if you ignore the ability to buy second-hand, which generally offers a range of price options anyway)

(c) I make sure that there are plenty of things in the £5 bracket on the lists because I know plenty of relatives only have that much to spend. Those relatives are generally the ones who are most likely to use the list, because they'd rather spend that £5 on something the child really loves than on Generic £5 Gift.

(d) I don't send the list to anyone. I don't cycle round to their house and nail it to their front door. It's just there, quietly, if they choose to look at it -- I add stuff during the year as the children show enthusiasm for it, take it off again if that proves to be a flash-in-the-pan, put on things that they specifically ask for if they don't cost too much and I'd be prepared to give them houseroom. Nor is anyone compelled to buy from the list. I know this year MIL is going off-list for DC3, and my mother is going off-list for DC2 and DC3 (and off-list for DC1's birthday, which is shortly after Christmas). Remoter relations on DH's side would never use a list. And that's all fine. But it's there for people who want it .

This year my great-aunt is sending me £10 per child and has asked me to buy them a gift each. Guess what -- I'm going to be specifying exactly what item and what brand and what price because I'll be buying the present.

Some other relatives will choose to look at an online list, browse a whole range of ideas (from the very specific to the very general), decide what they want to buy, where they want to buy it from and what price they can get it for.

How in the name of all that is holy is the second of those two options "grabby" and "rude" because I'm supposedly specifying the item and brand and price? Is the first option (where I genuinely AM specifying the item and brand and price) grabby and rude too?

How in the name of any other things that are holy I may have left out the first time is it less rude to tell people who actually want specific ideas that no, I will only give them generic suggestions like "Lego" or "Book" and they'll have to go away and research the possible options for themselves, then enjoy the suspense of hoping they didn't have the same idea as someone else looking for a gift in the same budget range with the same prompt?

clare2307 · 16/12/2016 08:56

I would never have a gift list for my kids! We didn't even have a wedding one (although as a wedding guest I don't actually mind them!) I am happy to give suggestions to people if they ask, and always keep it to something minimal, or something that has a range of things at different prices so people can spend as little or as much as they want. Spend as much as you can afford, don't be pressured to spend more! Hopefully the kids will be grateful regardless.

EverySongbirdSays · 16/12/2016 08:58

It's completely different Tragic to give out specific gift names if REQUESTED eg Ninjago LEGO rather than simply LEGO than to give everyone that list in a demanding way.

I'm asking for my reply to you Puzzled to be withdrawn for too IDing but I basically agreed with you.

lovelearning · 16/12/2016 08:59

four different people bought my SIL the exact same gift

You can't go far wrong with edibles, or stock for the wine cellar.

SantanaBinLorry · 16/12/2016 09:03

Urgh! Grabby, rude and boarding on vulgar.
Stick a fiver in a card (from here on in) and be done with it. No point even trying to explain to these kind of people who are so arrogant to suggest such a thing in the first place.
If the kids get a titty lip about it tough shit. Their parents can deal with the sulks on Christmas morning.

PassiveAgressiveQueen · 16/12/2016 09:06

So this is family right, just be honest, tell them you can't afford anything on the list give them your budget and ask for suggestions.

BrieAndChilli · 16/12/2016 09:06

My SIL asked to take the kids shopping the other day specifically so that they could point out things they would like for xmas, she is then going to buy what she wants but now has some good ideas.
I don't really see that it is any different than a list except with a list you haven't got the hassle of actually taking the kids out!!

deblet · 16/12/2016 09:11

We have done lists for everyone in the family for about 20 years. We love Amazon now it's so much easier than writing everything out. We prefer it because I hate regifting, hate de cluttering and hate the idea someone has gone to the expense of buying a gift we will never use//love/keep. However we have a strict policy of it has to be a variety of prices from £10 to £50 limit and that's where your sister has gone badly wrong. My children have been taught to realise that some of our relatives have more money than others and all gifts are appreciated. Have the conversation about budget and open her eyes. But its not unreasonable to not want your house filled with gifts which are not going to be used so lists are a good idea.

Topsy44 · 16/12/2016 09:20

Yanbu and I can sympathise. I am a lone parent and have one dd. I have six nieces and nephews to buy for. My sil has upped the prices on their lists this year for some reason. Neither set of families takes into account that I am on my own. If it was the other way round I would be suggesting £5/10 presents.

I think it's sad that people can't take themselves out of their own situations and put them in others. Lone parents are under enough pressure as it is and Christmas just ramps it up another notch.

I feel for you. I haven't handled it very well this year but next year I will be making sure I let everyone know that I will have a limit for each child which is reasonable for me in my situation.

SloeGinandTonic · 16/12/2016 09:21

As a parent of teens who get piles of unwanted gifts every year then a list is not unreasonable. The prices should go from £10 upwards though. I and my teens would rather no gift than some of the ones they have received as it is such a waste and so environmentally destructive. We have suggested stopping gifts but some aunties just keep saying who much they like to buy for girls. As a result my DD get the 3rd item in a boots 3 for 2- they have eczema and can't use it.

Classic misses include:

Toiletries for girls- can't use it as eczema
Pink hairdryer- doesn't do pink and has a GHD one
Hair straighteners- 3 times. Already has GHDs
Boys toiletries gift sets- putting deodorant in a box doesn't means that it isn't deodorant. Would you like tampax? If bench, superdry or jack wills made tampax, they would still be tampax (and all the boots sets are and ether coussins and the same regardless of branding)
Amazon vouchers that never arrived- I assume they had the wrong email address.
Loads of pink stationary. Dyslexic- uses quite specific pens, paper etc
Aftershave and perfume. 1 can't really use it and the other has a specify brand that is them. They don't want to smell like something that someone else likes. I find perfume an incredibly personal gift and can never believe it is suggested as a gift.
Slipper socks- why?
Hot water bottles and mini versions-why? we have the same hot water bottle I bought 35 years ago. No household needs more than 1.
Hot chocolate sets-why? We have all of the ingredients in the cupboard. Putting them in a kilner mug is just a waste of time and money.
Christmas decorations- why?
Digital cameras- my DD studied photography and has a very decent camera - she doesn't need or want one in a gift set. All 3 got digital cameras from one aunt last year. Everyone knows she is a photographer as she take step pictures at all family events.
Clothes- wrong size and not what they would chose. all 3 are very different but often get given the same clothes for versions of.

My children always say thank-you. It gets sold for charity for a few £s. It would have been so much better if it wasn't made or given in the 1st place and the giver kept their money or donated it themselves. We have suggested this so many times.

£5 in an envelope would be great. Nothing would be as good.

It isn't grabby not to want stuff that you don't want or need.

It is rude to buy thoughtless gifts- so getting 4 of the same for each of your nieces or generic 2 for 3 tat.

I think we get about £1000 of unwanted gifts every year. It is so frustrating. I do a giant charity car boot once a year and sell some on eBay for charity etc. I would rather not receive them.

lovelearning · 16/12/2016 09:25

I would rather not receive them.

NO PRESENTS PLEASE

SloeGinandTonic · 16/12/2016 09:28

I would rather not receive them.

NO PRESENTS PLEASE

As I said in the post- we say this every year for both Christmas and birthday.

Response we get- but we love buying gifts for your girls (they all have boys)