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Elderly downstairs neighbour just asked me what trouser size I am!!!

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ReActiv · 09/12/2016 10:10

VERY LONG POST!

AIBU to ask for help in how to deal with this man?

I'm sat here feeling really angry at him and worried I'm going to end up snapping at him next time i see him (probably in an hour for his scheduled 10.30am pestering!)

He's elderly and lives alone. He's recently had an accident and injured his wrist. I'm trying to keep all this in mind - i'm normally quite patient - but i cannot take much more of this.

Basically - i've known him around ten years. He lives on the ground floor of our building. I live on the first. We've always just been "Hello, how are you?" type of acquaintances. But since our other neighbour died two years ago - they were close - he's tried to engage with me on a much friendlier basis, and i just cannot be annoyed with it. He's actually making me miserable. Particularly this week.

Example:

Usually i leave the building at 7am to drop my daughter off at breakfast club. His lights are usually off, so i presume he's sleeping. So we get to leave the building with no hassle.

However, i finished up for Christmas last week (I'm a final year student but have a shit load of assignments to hand in before Christmas and exams to revise for in early January) so was looking forward to working from home these next two weeks while my daughter is at school. Nope - have so far achieved nothing of the sort this week.

Each morning as we're coming down the stairs to head to school, his door opens and out he comes. His front door is right next to the communal entrance/exit, so he stands there blocking it and tries to engage me in conversation. My daughter has been late for school 5/5 days this week because of it this week.

On Monday, he told me about his wrist injury that happened Sunday night. I was polite, showed concern, told him i was here if he needed me (did not give him my new number this time, as last time after he got another injury a few years ago he was phoning up to 5 times a day asking for things or for a chat). I got my daughter to school ten minutes late.

Then on the way back, he saw me coming up the path (his living room window looks out onto the exterior communal entrance so there is no way of sneaking in/out without him seeing) and stopped me again with a shopping list. I thought fine, fair enough, i did offer. I asked him if it was anything he needed urgently, as I wouldn't be heading out again until 3pm. He assured me it wasn't.

An hour later, he knocks on my door and thanks me again for offering to do his shopping. I thought it was a hint for me to get it bought, so i asked again - is it anything you need urgently? He said nope, happy to wait til the afternoon. Then he asks for a drink of water as he's just had to hoik himself up a set of long stairs to see me. He was really looking wobbly so i invited him in for a sit down (feeling very uncomfortable all the while, he's never been into my house before). He didn't leave til 2pm! I made him lunch and he ended up watching my telly. I still have no idea how this came about and am so angry with myself for not being more assertive. A totally wasted day.

I won't go into detail of every single day but it's just been constant this week. Usually it's maybe 2-3 times per week he catches us leaving/entering the building, or knocks our door so I've tolerated it previously. As i appreciate he is lonely. But this week, it's been 5+ times each day. I'm unable to leave or enter the building without his door opening. I'm unable to sit and relax and concentrate on my work at home as I'm so on edge the door is going to knock.

But basically, he stops us every morning before going to school to chat to us about nothing in particular. I've said bluntly the past three days - sorry, pete (not real name) but we're very late. Can you tell me after i drop DD off at school? He apologises then continues prattling on. No matter how many times i repeat. And i can't physically walk away because he stands blocking the exit.

Then on my way back from school around 9.20 - he stops me again. I've started walking in pretending i'm talking on my mobile. But then he knocks my door about an hour later asking if this is a good time - so yesterday, every time i answered my door (gas man, postman etc), i've had to answer it pretending i'm on the phone again in case it's my neighbour.

I've had to start leaving the house at 2.30pm to collect my daughter from school (school is less than a five min walk away) just so he can get his conversation out of the way without me being late to collect my daughter at 3pm.

This morning, i was completely on edge going down the stairs. Me and my daughter were practically tiptoeing - sure enough, he opened his door. How the hell can he hear us?? I said outright before he'd said a word - sorry pete we're very, very late. And made for the door without making eye contact. Out he comes and blocks it. Then starts talking about something irrelevant - not urgent at all - then asks "Listen, pal, was just wondering what trouser size you are?" I laughed, as I was surprised. He didn't elaborate. So i asked why. He said "My friend's neice has got a load of trousers she's trying to shift. I could get you designer stuff half price". I was fuming. Really worried i was going to snap at him. Told him no thanks, i don't need new clothes. He tried to convince me again, telling me i wouldn't get them at a better price etc, offering to get the neice to come round and show me them later if i wanted. I repeatedly said no, can we get past? He tried a few more times then moved out the way.

Sure enough, on my way back he came out of his house holding his mobile, I pretended to be on my mine, so hand gestured now was not a good time as i've dashed upstairs talking on the phone to my imaginary friend Joan and came here to rant. I presume he had pictures of the trousers on his phone and that's what he wanted to show me.

He regularly tries to get me to buy things from his friends. Always acting like he's doing me a favour getting things cheap. Always following a sob story about how his friends need the money. or his friends are raising money for charity. Sofas, toys, raffle tickets, tickets for charity nights, but it's never been anything personal. I'm just really pissed off about this latest one as he acted so normally when he asked me my clothing size. i'm probably over sensitive though.

Other info:
He is very independent. Not open to the idea of carers (I suggested this on Monday as a temporary measure until his wrist is better and he was livid at the suggestion)

He is cognitively astute - no obvious signs of impairment in conversation

He does have family come at the weekend who take him out. But they aren't very nice. I tried to approach them about 8 months ago after pete had come to my door really drunk and upset about a family friend dying (who i dont know at all!) and so I asked them to have a word with their dad (pete) as it had disturbed my daughter. I got an earful about how their dad isn't a pest, and how much their dad is fond of me, and how it's expected of neighbours to look out for each other.

Sorry this is so long. Started writing it when i was still full of rage. Actually think i've calmed myself down a bit just by ranting here.

Telling him outright that no this is not a good time for a chat is ineffective as he just tries again later.

Yesterday, coming home from school pick up in the afternoon, he tried to chat to us again. I sent dd upstairs to let herself into the flat. I told him tactfully that he has to stop coming to the door, catching us on the way in/out etc as I had lots of work i need to get done. Maybe he could just pop his shopping list or a note through the letterbox or leave it under his door mat and i can check it etc? He looked a bit bashful at this and apologised. I thought that had done the trick. Clearly not after this morning's trouser sale chat!

He told me previously that he comes from quite a tough family so he has plenty of friends who could knock someone out. So i'm actually really scared to do anything behind his back (such as report him to environmental health for neighbour meditation, or go to his family again for support.) He didn't just tell me this randomly by the way. It was a response to something. He'd stopped me once on the way to uni to tell me he'd been getting some grief from a woman a few streets away about something daft. Apparently she had become quite threatening. I advised him to phone the police. He laughed and said his family don't deal with the police. if he had an issue, it was dealt with through his nephews and sons.

On the plus side - he's told me the physio has said his wrist should be fixed in 6 weeks so should i just tolerate this for another 5 weeks?

And i'm moving out once i graduate in the summer so i'm not feeling too down, as i know this isn't forever.

What would you do in the meantime?

Again, sorry for the length! Feeling much better after just ranting it out. But still a bit on edge as i know he's going to knock again soon. And he knows that i'm in, so ignoring doesn't work. he would happily stand there all day knocking.

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Rachel0Greep · 09/12/2016 16:17

I can't get over him insisting he needed to talk to you urgently, knowing you were in the bath, and that the child probably felt she had to let him in. First and foremost, make sure she understands that she must never open the door to anyone. As regards getting past him for school, keep repeating 'we have to go, DD will be late.'
I know you shouldn't have to, and that the library isn't a great option, but I would consider doing say a morning session there every so often to work on assignments.
And when you are at home put a firm 'Do Not Disturb' sign on your door.
I know it's easier said than done, but you need to start putting yourself and your DD first.

ohfourfoxache · 09/12/2016 16:27

Stay strong, you deserve peace and quiet

S1lentAllTheseYears · 09/12/2016 16:29

I feel for you. I knew a woman like this and I ended up using the car far more than I wanted to because, otherwise, I had to pass her house on the way to school and, if she caught me, I'd be there forever - she used to physically block the pavement and if I stepped one way to go round her, she'd step over to block me again, or she'd put her arm up on the wall so I'd end up having to duck under it to get on. If we were on the way home and I had a child hanging off my arm saying 'come ON, mum!!' she was oblivious and just kept on chatting about nothing. I used live in dread of her turning up on my doorstep but thankfully she never did. Living in the same building as her would have been unbearable.

I also had a neighbour (sixties maybe, retired but not very elderly) who, for a long time, would appear mysteriously in her garden every time I put a toe out into mine. She had fruit bushes near the fence and would come out with a tupperware as if she just that minute decided to pick some raspberries and then she'd just talk and talk and talk until eventually I'd have to back away saying 'lovely to chat, must get on!' and she'd keep talking as I slunk back through my door. I know she was lonely but it didn't make it any easier! I saw her once with the postman trapped on her doorstep - poor bloke must have been really late with his rounds that day!

Being often assertive is easier said than done and, in your situation, I think I would end up in the library and staying out as much as possible which I know would be a right pita.

Hope you got on OK at school run time.

Arfarfanarf · 09/12/2016 16:33

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mrscarrotironfoundersson · 09/12/2016 16:48

If you don't think you can cut this man off for your own sake then please do it for your DD.

Other than being a neighbour you have no idea who he is really, and he persuaded your DD to open the fucking door?

You need to put your own issues with confidence aside for her sake.

NiceFalafels · 09/12/2016 19:03

Tell him you've been told off by the head and are close to getting fined due to lateness

Justaboy · 09/12/2016 19:27

Poor you and poor old sod him ! I much expect he's very lonely but he is at the same time being a nuisance. Don't suppose there's anyone else around who knows him who you could speak to about him or probably go and speak to him and say that whilst you understand his position etc that you do have your own life and commitments etc

I wonder if he has any children or grandchildren and probably hasn't and is in a way latching onto you for that but possibly because if his age mental state doesn't or can't see it from your point of view?.

SelfCleaningVagina · 09/12/2016 19:35

Don't feel the need to explain in advance that you won't be opening the door so often, that's mad. He can't know for sure that you are home anyway. Just because he saw you come in doesn't mean you are there - he might have missed you going out again. Or you could be asleep or in the bath or on the phone, or frying something. Don't fall into the trap of feeling he deserves and explanation, you'll get all tangled up trying to justify something you have no need to justify. Just ignore the door, or at least ignore it if he calls more than once every three days or so. If he says anything you can say 'well I often wear headphones in the house, it blocks out the sounds of unnecessary intrusions and distractions while I am working. I find it stressful being disturbed all the time.'

Also I wouldn't tell him to stick his shopping list through your door. It brings him up the stairs and gives him an excuse to knock. It also puts the responsibility onto you to make sure the shopping is done. Turn it round on itself. Tell him that you generally go shopping once a week and if you have time and remember, you will knock on his door to see if there is anything you can get for him, but you can't guarantee it as you are busy and your schedule changes all the time.

dowhatnow · 09/12/2016 19:35

This wouldn't be a problem for me. Just be assertive and direct. You are being far too nice.

Gymnopedies · 09/12/2016 22:00

Headphones with music and don't answer the door (tell your daughter to never open to a stranger as well). Don't do his shopping and don't apologise for wanting to live your life peacefully.
You need strong boundaries. He is taking advantage of you.

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SeaEagleFeather · 09/12/2016 22:11

reactiv your last post at 13:38 just reeks of you being a people pleaser.

So i'm worried he'll actually think im horrible now. What does it matter what he thinks? so he calls you nice ... are you sure he's not being manipulative and flattering you? And it's working.

There's a very big difference between being assertive and aggressive. You need to take a long look at why you feel the need to please this man who is frankly being a pest. You also need to show your daughter that you can stand up in a polite but firm way. Right now you're teaching her that it's ok to be a doormat.

Keep your emotions of pity and being flattered - and fear, come to that- under control, keep a firm grip on your priorities (your daughter's school and work) and then you can share your leftover time and kindness if you want to. But right now you need to grow a sense of what's important, and him thinking you might not be a really nice person isn't important.

Aeroflotgirl · 09/12/2016 22:16

You need to be a bit tougher. Sorry can't stop I am busy. Just walk past him. Don't engage him, yes he sounds lonely, but this should not be making you miserable.

Cherrysoup · 09/12/2016 22:33

Just keep telling him no. Not right now.. I haven't time Pete. I'm busy. Etc etc He has family to support him, you do not have to.Be very firm and use a fuck off face.

Agree. I also think he's deliberately intimidating you, he knows fine well that he's annoying/making you late. Stop feeling obligation, he has family. Don't offer to do shopping, don't answer the door except to say 'go away' and every single time (consistency is key!) he stops you, tell him NO.

Reminds me of the neighbour who used to knock, I'd open the door, she'd breeze in and stay for hours. I started standing in the doorway so she couldn't get in unless she actually pushed me!

NiceFalafels · 10/12/2016 08:27

You can be nice and have very firm clear boundaries.

randomeragain · 10/12/2016 09:39

yes falafel you can. Boundaries are great. I don't think OP is a people pleaser or neglecting her daughter. She is a busy, hard working, kind person.

He, on the other hand is totally 100% not her responsibility. Keep is simple.

The " relationship" now goes to a quick greeting...end of.

hazell42 · 10/12/2016 14:19

You haven't been honest with him. Every time he tries to speak to you you tell him, now is not a good time, which implies that some other time would be better. So he keeps coming back and you keep pretending to be on the phone! Why don't you try a different tack. Allow him 15 minutes (after all he is an elderly neighbour and then tell him you have to leave. Then leave.
On the one hand you are being polite, but you are resenting it too.
With people like this who have no idea about the sort of social cues that other people pick up on, you have to be firm and a little bit brutal. During the 15 mins try to be interested, maybe ask a question or two. Then say, It's been nice chatting. I'm busy for the rest of the day, but I hope we bump into each other tomorrow.
Maybe he's rich and he will leave you a fortune in his will. Or maybe you are getting trousers to Christmas

weresquirrel · 10/12/2016 21:30

Any update OP? Did you talk to him?

Ohdearducks · 10/12/2016 22:49

I'm another who thinks he's deliberately harrassing and intimidating you for his own amusement with a bit of manipulation thrown in to mess with your head. I'd get some advice from your community police because he's effectively stalking you. The blocking the door routine, constantly knocking and deliberately getting you out of the bath is controlling and intimidating behaviour. I think he knows exactly what he's doing.

Ohdearducks · 10/12/2016 23:07

In fact I'd be tempted to start keeping a diary of his harrassments so you have evidence for the community police if you decide to get advice from them, they'll probably try and tell you he's just a lonely old man etc. But if they can see the actual impact on your life they may take it more seriously.

ellalouise123 · 10/12/2016 23:19

This sounds awful! There's some elderly people on our street who are a bit full-on but luckily DH and I work full time and we are quite a lot younger than everyone else in the vicinity so they seem to leave us to it. However our next door neighbour had a similar situation with one man coming to her door repeatedly and asking for things and bothering her. In the end she stopped saying hello in the street/stopped answering the door and made sure she was firm. Sometimes when I go round with a parcel etc she wont answer the door and I have to ring her and say it's me! Some of the neighbours have remarked to us how 'rude' she is but I see it as her taking her life back. She's single and lives on her own, I would hate to be in her situation and feel harassed. She may come across as slightly rude but I assume she isn't worrying every time the doorbell rings anymore.

You sound like me though, I'd feel guilty and mean but you need to put a stop to it for your daughters sake and for your own mental health. It's gone beyond you being nice, you don't owe this man anything.

FuckityFucko · 10/12/2016 23:33

OP I don't have time to RTFT but this isn't some lonely old benign boy wanting a chat. He is being intimidating intentionally. Blocking your exit. Letting you know he has a violent family.
This woman who had s problem with him? What is the betting he was actually treating her the same way as he is you but it escalated? Can you talk to her? When you talked to his family - they were defensive and abrupt. Said he isn't a pest. My guess it this is typical behaviour and they normalise it. That is why they were so off with you.

I would write everything down. I would speak to the police - he may be known to them.
NEVER LET HIM IN YOUR FLAT
Take the knocker off your door. Have a new bell fitted that you can turn off. Ignore him

Do not engage. Do not apologise.
Tell him ONCE - I am finding your continually demanding behaviour too stressful. I would like you to leave us alone.
(Work out what you want to say but don't be vague or apologetic). He is not some innocent. I think he knows how much he is annoying you. I don't know why he is but he obviously has form.
Look after yourself and your child. Good luck.

ChuckGravestones · 11/12/2016 08:16

I would be calling your landlord and asking if there are any other properties you can move into as if not, you are going to have to call the police on this man harassing you and it is likely to get ugly.

I would also stop letting him give your daughter money, next time you see him tell him straight that his behaviour is not acceptable and he needs to back off and leave you both alone. Then if he doesn't you can start by calling the police and seeing where to go next. And no more shopping!

AmserGwin · 11/12/2016 09:29

Any update OP?

weresquirrel · 12/12/2016 14:23

What happened OP?