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Elderly downstairs neighbour just asked me what trouser size I am!!!

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ReActiv · 09/12/2016 10:10

VERY LONG POST!

AIBU to ask for help in how to deal with this man?

I'm sat here feeling really angry at him and worried I'm going to end up snapping at him next time i see him (probably in an hour for his scheduled 10.30am pestering!)

He's elderly and lives alone. He's recently had an accident and injured his wrist. I'm trying to keep all this in mind - i'm normally quite patient - but i cannot take much more of this.

Basically - i've known him around ten years. He lives on the ground floor of our building. I live on the first. We've always just been "Hello, how are you?" type of acquaintances. But since our other neighbour died two years ago - they were close - he's tried to engage with me on a much friendlier basis, and i just cannot be annoyed with it. He's actually making me miserable. Particularly this week.

Example:

Usually i leave the building at 7am to drop my daughter off at breakfast club. His lights are usually off, so i presume he's sleeping. So we get to leave the building with no hassle.

However, i finished up for Christmas last week (I'm a final year student but have a shit load of assignments to hand in before Christmas and exams to revise for in early January) so was looking forward to working from home these next two weeks while my daughter is at school. Nope - have so far achieved nothing of the sort this week.

Each morning as we're coming down the stairs to head to school, his door opens and out he comes. His front door is right next to the communal entrance/exit, so he stands there blocking it and tries to engage me in conversation. My daughter has been late for school 5/5 days this week because of it this week.

On Monday, he told me about his wrist injury that happened Sunday night. I was polite, showed concern, told him i was here if he needed me (did not give him my new number this time, as last time after he got another injury a few years ago he was phoning up to 5 times a day asking for things or for a chat). I got my daughter to school ten minutes late.

Then on the way back, he saw me coming up the path (his living room window looks out onto the exterior communal entrance so there is no way of sneaking in/out without him seeing) and stopped me again with a shopping list. I thought fine, fair enough, i did offer. I asked him if it was anything he needed urgently, as I wouldn't be heading out again until 3pm. He assured me it wasn't.

An hour later, he knocks on my door and thanks me again for offering to do his shopping. I thought it was a hint for me to get it bought, so i asked again - is it anything you need urgently? He said nope, happy to wait til the afternoon. Then he asks for a drink of water as he's just had to hoik himself up a set of long stairs to see me. He was really looking wobbly so i invited him in for a sit down (feeling very uncomfortable all the while, he's never been into my house before). He didn't leave til 2pm! I made him lunch and he ended up watching my telly. I still have no idea how this came about and am so angry with myself for not being more assertive. A totally wasted day.

I won't go into detail of every single day but it's just been constant this week. Usually it's maybe 2-3 times per week he catches us leaving/entering the building, or knocks our door so I've tolerated it previously. As i appreciate he is lonely. But this week, it's been 5+ times each day. I'm unable to leave or enter the building without his door opening. I'm unable to sit and relax and concentrate on my work at home as I'm so on edge the door is going to knock.

But basically, he stops us every morning before going to school to chat to us about nothing in particular. I've said bluntly the past three days - sorry, pete (not real name) but we're very late. Can you tell me after i drop DD off at school? He apologises then continues prattling on. No matter how many times i repeat. And i can't physically walk away because he stands blocking the exit.

Then on my way back from school around 9.20 - he stops me again. I've started walking in pretending i'm talking on my mobile. But then he knocks my door about an hour later asking if this is a good time - so yesterday, every time i answered my door (gas man, postman etc), i've had to answer it pretending i'm on the phone again in case it's my neighbour.

I've had to start leaving the house at 2.30pm to collect my daughter from school (school is less than a five min walk away) just so he can get his conversation out of the way without me being late to collect my daughter at 3pm.

This morning, i was completely on edge going down the stairs. Me and my daughter were practically tiptoeing - sure enough, he opened his door. How the hell can he hear us?? I said outright before he'd said a word - sorry pete we're very, very late. And made for the door without making eye contact. Out he comes and blocks it. Then starts talking about something irrelevant - not urgent at all - then asks "Listen, pal, was just wondering what trouser size you are?" I laughed, as I was surprised. He didn't elaborate. So i asked why. He said "My friend's neice has got a load of trousers she's trying to shift. I could get you designer stuff half price". I was fuming. Really worried i was going to snap at him. Told him no thanks, i don't need new clothes. He tried to convince me again, telling me i wouldn't get them at a better price etc, offering to get the neice to come round and show me them later if i wanted. I repeatedly said no, can we get past? He tried a few more times then moved out the way.

Sure enough, on my way back he came out of his house holding his mobile, I pretended to be on my mine, so hand gestured now was not a good time as i've dashed upstairs talking on the phone to my imaginary friend Joan and came here to rant. I presume he had pictures of the trousers on his phone and that's what he wanted to show me.

He regularly tries to get me to buy things from his friends. Always acting like he's doing me a favour getting things cheap. Always following a sob story about how his friends need the money. or his friends are raising money for charity. Sofas, toys, raffle tickets, tickets for charity nights, but it's never been anything personal. I'm just really pissed off about this latest one as he acted so normally when he asked me my clothing size. i'm probably over sensitive though.

Other info:
He is very independent. Not open to the idea of carers (I suggested this on Monday as a temporary measure until his wrist is better and he was livid at the suggestion)

He is cognitively astute - no obvious signs of impairment in conversation

He does have family come at the weekend who take him out. But they aren't very nice. I tried to approach them about 8 months ago after pete had come to my door really drunk and upset about a family friend dying (who i dont know at all!) and so I asked them to have a word with their dad (pete) as it had disturbed my daughter. I got an earful about how their dad isn't a pest, and how much their dad is fond of me, and how it's expected of neighbours to look out for each other.

Sorry this is so long. Started writing it when i was still full of rage. Actually think i've calmed myself down a bit just by ranting here.

Telling him outright that no this is not a good time for a chat is ineffective as he just tries again later.

Yesterday, coming home from school pick up in the afternoon, he tried to chat to us again. I sent dd upstairs to let herself into the flat. I told him tactfully that he has to stop coming to the door, catching us on the way in/out etc as I had lots of work i need to get done. Maybe he could just pop his shopping list or a note through the letterbox or leave it under his door mat and i can check it etc? He looked a bit bashful at this and apologised. I thought that had done the trick. Clearly not after this morning's trouser sale chat!

He told me previously that he comes from quite a tough family so he has plenty of friends who could knock someone out. So i'm actually really scared to do anything behind his back (such as report him to environmental health for neighbour meditation, or go to his family again for support.) He didn't just tell me this randomly by the way. It was a response to something. He'd stopped me once on the way to uni to tell me he'd been getting some grief from a woman a few streets away about something daft. Apparently she had become quite threatening. I advised him to phone the police. He laughed and said his family don't deal with the police. if he had an issue, it was dealt with through his nephews and sons.

On the plus side - he's told me the physio has said his wrist should be fixed in 6 weeks so should i just tolerate this for another 5 weeks?

And i'm moving out once i graduate in the summer so i'm not feeling too down, as i know this isn't forever.

What would you do in the meantime?

Again, sorry for the length! Feeling much better after just ranting it out. But still a bit on edge as i know he's going to knock again soon. And he knows that i'm in, so ignoring doesn't work. he would happily stand there all day knocking.

OP posts:
randomeragain · 09/12/2016 12:47

agree with previous poster....he doesn't care about you one little bit. A user.

Roussette · 09/12/2016 12:49

I would suggest you do not write. That gives him time to read, re-read, brood, show it to family (who sound horrible) and get them on board ... it will get worse and worse. Besides which, finding the right words won't be easy. Just do what others have said... speak a firm NO. PLEASE MOVE. And what selfcleaning says.

Starduke · 09/12/2016 12:54

I don't have anything as bad as this, but someone in our building does knock on our door and then take zero hints that I want the conversation to end.

I've ended up talking over them saying "thank you, have a nice day, goodbye" and shutting the door in their face.

They still knock and stop for a chat but I never let it get out of hand like before (when it used to be a 10 minutes monologue rant)

ILikeThatSong123 · 09/12/2016 12:57

Agree with JelliBelli. Do not engage, do not explain, do not apologise. Just block him on purpose and make sure he understands you mean it.

confuugled1 · 09/12/2016 13:06

I reckon he knew exactly what he was doing when he came upstairs when you were in the bath - he would have heard you running it. He came up deliberately because he knew that there would be an incredibly good chance that you would open the door in a dressing gown or towel or very hastily thrown on clothes or pjs/nightie etc. And he wanted that. Probably to try to be in the flat with you but from what you've said I bet he would have got a thrill from knowing that he'd got you out of the bath.

Have you ever tried just saying one word answers to him? So when he's talking to you and not moving - just saying Stop. Stop. STOP. STOPPPPP!!! and then 'Please move. move. Move. MOVE. MOVE NOW.

I'd definitely stop doing anything for him and if he asks again just say that you can't do it, he's already wasted too much of your time but you'll ring SS/Age Concern, which would he prefer (because by having to answer your question he can't answer No which is a good thing) and get them to call in on him.

Good luck

Lorelei76 · 09/12/2016 13:06

You need to nip this in the bud
I posted about a different but similar problem with an elderly neighbour, I ended up having to shout at him because he went all touch feely
You say he's fully cognisant, that means he's just taking advantage of your good nature
You'll have to start being less nice.

Artioo2 · 09/12/2016 13:07

Don't write to him! I know people are trying to help, but seriously that is a terrible suggestion. He doesn't take notice of what you say to his face, he's not going to suddenly see the light when it's written down. Writing to him is giving more power to him. It's showing him that he matters a huge amount to you, that he's important enough to you to spend time agonising over a letter. Don't give him more power! He will try to talk to you about the letter, get you in to a conversation to 'apologise', even write back - that's not what you want at all. You want to shut him down.

I really feel for you as I can completely imagine myself in this situation, and it's so hard when we've been conditioned all our lives to be polite and accommodating. But you need to stop being polite. He's using rudeness as a weapon to get what he wants, and you need to combat it with rudeness. Stop apologising, stop using the words 'sorry' and 'please'. If he knocks later, keep the door open a crack with your foot and say 'I told you earlier, I don't want any clothes,' and close the door. When he blocks your way, don't say please, say 'I'm going out, you need to move' and don't answer whatever else he says.

DailyMailyFaily · 09/12/2016 13:09

Offering to do his shopping, making him lunch (WTF!) and letting him stay to watch tv probably means that he thinks you don't mind him and his company.

I'd put a note on the door saying that you are working and don't want callers and, as everyone else has already said, I'd just be blunt with him.

Wildwillow · 09/12/2016 13:11

Do exactly what selfcleaning says.
He is taking advantage of your polite nature.
Do not write letters!! Mad idea!! just gives him more to feed off.
Keep all contact to the absolute minimum.
Cheerful good morning and keep moving.
Do not stop, do not engage, do not feel the need to explain yourself or why you are in a hurry. Do you imagine for one second he has given a thought to your state of mind / well being / committments?? No!! of course not!! Its all about him!! Avoid and dont feel guilty in the least about it. If it helps then consider what you are teaching your child that it is ok to accept... Just saying as it has helped me to focus on what is important and what my priorities are....

RentANDBills · 09/12/2016 13:12

Oh Gawd, this sounds like my idea of Hell.
I've no practical advice, I'm afraid.
I'd actually do everything I could to move earlier Blush.
Unless you have a scary looking male friend who can escort you a few times. Which is obviously not great advice!

flippinada · 09/12/2016 13:22

I know people who are suggesting it mean well but definitely don't write him a letter, he's not bothered about your feelings and will use it to harass you even more.

I know it's hard when it's not in your nature but you do need to be firm with him.

Smartleatherbag · 09/12/2016 13:29

You need to be really really firm with him. You do not owe him your time and energy, especially if he ignores your boundaries. Just say you're busy, walk on. Don't open the door. Or open it once, say you're busy, close it. Seriously, show your daughter how to assert yourself.

Branleuse · 09/12/2016 13:31

I think you need to move. He sounds spectacularly unaware of what a complete nuisance he is, and youre going to have to get aggressive or rude when dealing with him, and even then im not sure it sounds like he would get it

ReActiv · 09/12/2016 13:38

thank you all so much for the advice and replies! As much as i feel sorry for the people who have had similar situations, i'm relieved in knowing it's not just me.

He's late 70s and uses a stick. But very active. Goes to the community centre for social events etc.

He's not directly below me. He lives directly across from my downstairs neighbour, so i have no idea how he knows we're coming down the stairs to leave the building each day. Very good hearing if he can even hear us tiptoe.

Reading the advice the answer is so simple how to deal with him - be more assertive. Do exactly as you all say. And i do keep meaning too, but then when im in that situation i feel sorry for him. And i feel a sense of obligation almost. He's come to rely on me. What if something were to happen to him because i told him i couldn't do a favour for him? Would his family blame me?

I get the impression he is a very proud man. He doesn't want his family to think that he's incapable of being independent. He doesnt want to consider himself as being an OAP.

Another thing he'll occasionally do when he opens the door as we pass by is hand my daughter a coin from his pocket. 50p or whatever. I keep telling him no but he is very insistent and then it feels as though he is buying our time. This isn't every time though.

Luckily i haven't been pestered this morning and ive managed to bash out 1000 words of my first pre-Christmas assignment. So i'm feeling in better spirits. But i definitely think he'll catch me in an hour when i leave for the school pick up so will try and just be completely assertive - no explanations or talk of 'i'll speak to you later' - just walk by and actually physically (gently) shift him out of the way of the communal door. Then if/when he tries to do the same on the return from school pick up, i'll send dd up to the flat and then have a firm word with him again. I'll repeat that i have a lot of work i need to get done while daughter is at school before they break up for Christmas, and I'm afraid i'm perhaps not the best person to nip to the shops and things for him. I know for a fact though he will not ask his family as he is so proud and will hobble out himself to do errands each day and then this will make me feel guilty seeing him struggle. So i'm really not sure ill be able to stick to this. I like the suggestion of saying "i do my shopping on a Wed, do pop a list through the letterbox Wed morning and I'll get things then."

And yes, i will also tell him that the constant door knocking is disturbing us and i'm going to stop answering the door so much as it lets the heat out or something. So i think ill just need to have a word with dd later that it's okay to ignore a knock on the door. Have no idea how long he'll knock for though if we dont answer and he knows we're home. I've left it ten minutes once at the longest. Explained i was on an important phonecall - while still on the phone - and he still tried to talk to me about something totally non-urgent.

The reason i sent dd to answer it that time when i was in the bath a few months ago is because she was trying to sleep and couldn't because of the loud booming knocking.

It's all well and good me saying i will start doing this, but i have a feeling i'll feel guilt and obligation to be polite again when i actually see him face to face. I need to just be firm and keep remembering that he isn't being polite to me, so i don't owe him my politeness back. I still feel so guilty though as he often says what a nice girl i am, and how helpful i am compared to the person who lived her before me. So i'm worried he'll actually think im horrible now. Or that he'll whinge to his family about me and then ill have them at my door next

Thanks again for the advice. i appreciate it so much. Going to try getting some more of this paper written before i need to collect dd.

OP posts:
Wineandrosesagain · 09/12/2016 13:45

Op perhaps you should start thinking about the impact on your child - she surely must be affected by having to tiptoe out of your flat and being cornered and talked at by this man. Not to mention being late to school so often; she must feel very stressed by that. And the constant banging on the door. That would be quite intimidating to a child, plus she must sense your anxiety. Really - instead of thinking you'll feel guilty and obliged to him - put her first and be blunt to him. Otherwise it's not just your life he's making a misery but hers too, and you are not defending her.

BerylStreep · 09/12/2016 13:45

Please don't give a lame excuse about heat getting out. Just say 'you are going to stop knocking because it disturbs us.'

Glad you are feeling bit more positive, but I think you sound too nice and he is taking advantage.

Wineandrosesagain · 09/12/2016 13:46

And who cares if he thinks you are horrid? Grow a backbone Op.

SpookyPotato · 09/12/2016 14:24

God this is awful, so intrusive... you must never be able to relax. I had a similar neighbour (except he was young and didn't ever need me to do anything) but he was constantly knocking on the door for chats about any old rubbish, for an hour at a time. Every day. I lived above him so he knew I was in.. I just couldn't relax as I was always waiting for his knock. I am quite assertive in other situations but there's something about not wanting to upset neighbours and cause trouble that turned me into a doormat... plus like your neighbour he knew some dodgy people. I'm glad you're moving in summer but in the meantime all I can say is be more assertive..

Roussette · 09/12/2016 14:43

You sound lovely and very kind and that's all great until you have someone like this who pushes the boundaries. Nice people don't mind doing the odd favour and being helpful but he is too too much and it is infringing on you, your DD and your daily comings and goings.

Sorry to be mean but if he is too proud to tell his family he is lonely or struggling, that is really his problem, not yours. His children should be the ones stopping him from being lonely or doing his shopping. Not you.

He says you are so nice compared to the previous person who lived there - well... they probably got fed up! That should ring a warning bell.

You need to say you can't do all this stuff now as you are getting busier and busier and your priority is your child and suggest to him he contacts his (children). They are getting off very lightly aren't they?

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 09/12/2016 15:27

Knocking at your door numerous times a day. Appearing at his door every time you walk past. I'd be calling that harassment

DeepanKrispanEven · 09/12/2016 15:38

Transfer some of that guilty feeling to your child. She can't be happy constantly getting into trouble for being late at school, and she must come first for you.

Katy07 · 09/12/2016 15:55

Knocking at your door numerous times a day. Appearing at his door every time you walk past. I'd be calling that harassment
It depends completely on the motive. If he's just lonely and doesn't understand boundaries then it may feel harassing but it's not harassment. And the OP has been nice to him - doing shopping, inviting him in (reluctantly), talking to him - so he thinks it's fine. There's no obvious malicious intent.

paxillin · 09/12/2016 16:05

I can see why you are talking about guilt and obligation. Think about your real obligation, that to your DD. The point you should feel guilty about is making her late, not shortening chats with the neighbour.

Imagine your DD's potential AIBU question: My mum makes me late every day to chat to the neighbour. AIBU to tell school it's her fault not mine?

hollinhurst84 · 09/12/2016 16:15

You have no obligation. He is being rude, start being rude back
No time to chat and push past him
Don't answer the door or answer and say sorry, busy and close it again
It'll probably only take a few times before he gets the message, if not then start logging it down

JiminyCricket · 09/12/2016 16:16

Don't engage. Wear headphones. Don't talk. Look blank. Answer the door on a chain, then shut it without speaking if its him, or don't answer the door. Other people probably do this to him, so it won't be a surprise to him.

Report him if he obstructs you leaving the flat (film it if you can).

He's not listening, so there is no point talking to explain this, but if you want you could put it politely and assertively in writing that his blocking your way in the morning and making you late, or repeatedly bothering you in the day is not acceptable and therefore you will not stop to talk any more. Hopefully he will show it to a relative and they will realise he is being a pain.

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