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Elderly downstairs neighbour just asked me what trouser size I am!!!

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ReActiv · 09/12/2016 10:10

VERY LONG POST!

AIBU to ask for help in how to deal with this man?

I'm sat here feeling really angry at him and worried I'm going to end up snapping at him next time i see him (probably in an hour for his scheduled 10.30am pestering!)

He's elderly and lives alone. He's recently had an accident and injured his wrist. I'm trying to keep all this in mind - i'm normally quite patient - but i cannot take much more of this.

Basically - i've known him around ten years. He lives on the ground floor of our building. I live on the first. We've always just been "Hello, how are you?" type of acquaintances. But since our other neighbour died two years ago - they were close - he's tried to engage with me on a much friendlier basis, and i just cannot be annoyed with it. He's actually making me miserable. Particularly this week.

Example:

Usually i leave the building at 7am to drop my daughter off at breakfast club. His lights are usually off, so i presume he's sleeping. So we get to leave the building with no hassle.

However, i finished up for Christmas last week (I'm a final year student but have a shit load of assignments to hand in before Christmas and exams to revise for in early January) so was looking forward to working from home these next two weeks while my daughter is at school. Nope - have so far achieved nothing of the sort this week.

Each morning as we're coming down the stairs to head to school, his door opens and out he comes. His front door is right next to the communal entrance/exit, so he stands there blocking it and tries to engage me in conversation. My daughter has been late for school 5/5 days this week because of it this week.

On Monday, he told me about his wrist injury that happened Sunday night. I was polite, showed concern, told him i was here if he needed me (did not give him my new number this time, as last time after he got another injury a few years ago he was phoning up to 5 times a day asking for things or for a chat). I got my daughter to school ten minutes late.

Then on the way back, he saw me coming up the path (his living room window looks out onto the exterior communal entrance so there is no way of sneaking in/out without him seeing) and stopped me again with a shopping list. I thought fine, fair enough, i did offer. I asked him if it was anything he needed urgently, as I wouldn't be heading out again until 3pm. He assured me it wasn't.

An hour later, he knocks on my door and thanks me again for offering to do his shopping. I thought it was a hint for me to get it bought, so i asked again - is it anything you need urgently? He said nope, happy to wait til the afternoon. Then he asks for a drink of water as he's just had to hoik himself up a set of long stairs to see me. He was really looking wobbly so i invited him in for a sit down (feeling very uncomfortable all the while, he's never been into my house before). He didn't leave til 2pm! I made him lunch and he ended up watching my telly. I still have no idea how this came about and am so angry with myself for not being more assertive. A totally wasted day.

I won't go into detail of every single day but it's just been constant this week. Usually it's maybe 2-3 times per week he catches us leaving/entering the building, or knocks our door so I've tolerated it previously. As i appreciate he is lonely. But this week, it's been 5+ times each day. I'm unable to leave or enter the building without his door opening. I'm unable to sit and relax and concentrate on my work at home as I'm so on edge the door is going to knock.

But basically, he stops us every morning before going to school to chat to us about nothing in particular. I've said bluntly the past three days - sorry, pete (not real name) but we're very late. Can you tell me after i drop DD off at school? He apologises then continues prattling on. No matter how many times i repeat. And i can't physically walk away because he stands blocking the exit.

Then on my way back from school around 9.20 - he stops me again. I've started walking in pretending i'm talking on my mobile. But then he knocks my door about an hour later asking if this is a good time - so yesterday, every time i answered my door (gas man, postman etc), i've had to answer it pretending i'm on the phone again in case it's my neighbour.

I've had to start leaving the house at 2.30pm to collect my daughter from school (school is less than a five min walk away) just so he can get his conversation out of the way without me being late to collect my daughter at 3pm.

This morning, i was completely on edge going down the stairs. Me and my daughter were practically tiptoeing - sure enough, he opened his door. How the hell can he hear us?? I said outright before he'd said a word - sorry pete we're very, very late. And made for the door without making eye contact. Out he comes and blocks it. Then starts talking about something irrelevant - not urgent at all - then asks "Listen, pal, was just wondering what trouser size you are?" I laughed, as I was surprised. He didn't elaborate. So i asked why. He said "My friend's neice has got a load of trousers she's trying to shift. I could get you designer stuff half price". I was fuming. Really worried i was going to snap at him. Told him no thanks, i don't need new clothes. He tried to convince me again, telling me i wouldn't get them at a better price etc, offering to get the neice to come round and show me them later if i wanted. I repeatedly said no, can we get past? He tried a few more times then moved out the way.

Sure enough, on my way back he came out of his house holding his mobile, I pretended to be on my mine, so hand gestured now was not a good time as i've dashed upstairs talking on the phone to my imaginary friend Joan and came here to rant. I presume he had pictures of the trousers on his phone and that's what he wanted to show me.

He regularly tries to get me to buy things from his friends. Always acting like he's doing me a favour getting things cheap. Always following a sob story about how his friends need the money. or his friends are raising money for charity. Sofas, toys, raffle tickets, tickets for charity nights, but it's never been anything personal. I'm just really pissed off about this latest one as he acted so normally when he asked me my clothing size. i'm probably over sensitive though.

Other info:
He is very independent. Not open to the idea of carers (I suggested this on Monday as a temporary measure until his wrist is better and he was livid at the suggestion)

He is cognitively astute - no obvious signs of impairment in conversation

He does have family come at the weekend who take him out. But they aren't very nice. I tried to approach them about 8 months ago after pete had come to my door really drunk and upset about a family friend dying (who i dont know at all!) and so I asked them to have a word with their dad (pete) as it had disturbed my daughter. I got an earful about how their dad isn't a pest, and how much their dad is fond of me, and how it's expected of neighbours to look out for each other.

Sorry this is so long. Started writing it when i was still full of rage. Actually think i've calmed myself down a bit just by ranting here.

Telling him outright that no this is not a good time for a chat is ineffective as he just tries again later.

Yesterday, coming home from school pick up in the afternoon, he tried to chat to us again. I sent dd upstairs to let herself into the flat. I told him tactfully that he has to stop coming to the door, catching us on the way in/out etc as I had lots of work i need to get done. Maybe he could just pop his shopping list or a note through the letterbox or leave it under his door mat and i can check it etc? He looked a bit bashful at this and apologised. I thought that had done the trick. Clearly not after this morning's trouser sale chat!

He told me previously that he comes from quite a tough family so he has plenty of friends who could knock someone out. So i'm actually really scared to do anything behind his back (such as report him to environmental health for neighbour meditation, or go to his family again for support.) He didn't just tell me this randomly by the way. It was a response to something. He'd stopped me once on the way to uni to tell me he'd been getting some grief from a woman a few streets away about something daft. Apparently she had become quite threatening. I advised him to phone the police. He laughed and said his family don't deal with the police. if he had an issue, it was dealt with through his nephews and sons.

On the plus side - he's told me the physio has said his wrist should be fixed in 6 weeks so should i just tolerate this for another 5 weeks?

And i'm moving out once i graduate in the summer so i'm not feeling too down, as i know this isn't forever.

What would you do in the meantime?

Again, sorry for the length! Feeling much better after just ranting it out. But still a bit on edge as i know he's going to knock again soon. And he knows that i'm in, so ignoring doesn't work. he would happily stand there all day knocking.

OP posts:
NiceFalafels · 09/12/2016 10:57

Try saying 'escuse me, coming through' and walk towards him/door quickly. Don't stop. 'Sorry got to go can't stop'. Don't engage. 'Excuse me, please can you move as I need to get through' and repeat and repeat and repeat.

Tell the family he is very very lonely. Can they spend more time with him during the week because he needs their input.

Tell him your hearing is going. Might be due to a head cold/ear infection. Then don't answer the door at all and let him bang all day. Then you can say you've got a headache/flu and need to rest so can't answer the door at other times.

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 09/12/2016 10:59

My sympathies.... I had a very similar experience about 15 years ago... I had a very full on job and was often needing to be at home writing reports....

I too, was a people pleaser... My neighbour just wouldn't stop....

I found out... Just not to be polite - all my attempts at - can you put a note through door/leave a message backfired.... I just ended up with more visits and increase in their desperation...

In the end... 'No I can't Im busy, sorry' ... Close the door, and don't give them an alternative time. ' No I'm in a hurry I can't stop to chat' -push past.

If they ask when you'll be free... Just say you can't say as you're so busy... Repeat ad nauseum

NiceFalafels · 09/12/2016 10:59

Also vary the time you leave.

iseenodust · 09/12/2016 11:00

The note on your door is a good idea. I would also go passive aggressive on trying to exit the building eg 'DD let's practice using excuse me and please by asking neighbour to step aside so we can get to school on time'.

As you say he is clearly lonely. Maybe ask the local church or a befriending group (can usually find a local one on FB) to make contact with him.

OhMrBadger · 09/12/2016 11:01

OP can you arrange to have a friend walk home from school with you for a few days? Then you'd have some back up and help from someone a bit more impartial. Get them to push past him cheerfully saying, "nice to see you! Must run! No time!" sort of thing.

He seems to be trying to dominate you. The blocking the doorway is really not on and very threatening. Could you discretely ask your local community police officer for some advice? He is a nuisance now and this needs to be dealt with.

Serialweightwatcher · 09/12/2016 11:02

You need to be firm with him - he's not your responsibility and you have work and a child to see to ... tell him you offered to help but you didn't realise you don't have the time and you are willing to help him to contact carers to do his shopping and help him - he may be averse to carers but that's his problem - don't be too kind because he's the type to put on you - when he stands in your way, you need to be firm and say 'Sorry I don't have time right now' and keep walking past

FurryLittleTwerp · 09/12/2016 11:03

Use a door-chain so he can't get his foot in. "Normal" callers won't mind this.

purpleshortcake · 09/12/2016 11:06

When working from home could you put a sign on the door saying "conference call in progress; not to disturbed except for deliveries requiring signatures" ?

KitKat1985 · 09/12/2016 11:07

I feel sorry for you OP. This is a really awkward one. But I would say that 'hints' are just not working, now are polite 'I can't talk now Pete', then you need to start getting rude. Stop answering the door. Leave a note on the door saying please don't disturb if you have to. It's hard I know but you need to knock this on the head, and that's going to involve being blunt. Maybe even say to him 'Pete I'm really busy at the moment, so I'm not going to be able to come to the door if you come around' and then just don't answer the door if he does still. Eventually he'll get the hint.

Similarly, my Mum spent 3 years avoiding going into her garden as EVERY time she went into the garden the elderly lady next door would come out for a long chat, or come out and ask Mum to do her some favour or other. Polite declines didn't work, sneaking out quietly didn't work, even putting a bloody 6ft fence up between their gardens didn't work. It only stopped in the end when the lady had to go into care. It was a sad situation really as she was obviously lonely and struggling, (but stubborn and refused all offers of carers etc), but it basically meant for 3 years my Mum just couldn't sit and relax in the garden, (or even take the bins out undisturbed), and that wasn't fair either.

aginghippy · 09/12/2016 11:09

I too find it vaguely sinister that he blocks the communal door. He listens for you, comes out of his flat, walks to the exit and blocks it.

He is treating you badly. Never mind that he is old, lonely, injured or whatever. He is using you and taking advantage of your good nature.

Stop talking to him. No need to be polite, he is not polite to you.

StealthPolarBear · 09/12/2016 11:16

I don't think he's lonlely. ..well he may be but mainly he's threatening .

LeninaCrowne · 09/12/2016 11:19

Does he live directly below you and can hear you moving about?

You have to be rude and standoffish, with both words and body language. Talk to the hand, keep moving, "move out of the way mate you're making us late". Etc etc.

WeAllHaveWings · 09/12/2016 11:20

You need to walk past him, even if he is blocking the door way, use a gentle hand on his shoulder guiding him to the side if necessary. Tell dd in advance to walk past him saying excuse me.

Don't stop moving, don't listen to what he is saying, just keep repeating - cant stop dd is very late I need to go. He will get the hint eventually you don't have time in the mornings.

Do not invite him into your home ever again, if he comes to yours wobbly take him back to his home and if you can sit with him for 5 mins. This means you can leave if you want to or tell him to call his family or call them for him saying he's a bit wobby/upset but you need to go now.

If he comes to the door don't answer and tell your dd not to answer. If you do answer make it polite but short, have your excuses ready and close the door on him.

Tell him you will knock on him on the way out when you are shopping to see if he needs anything while you are at the supermarket but you cant make trips just for him anyone, you have personal stuff and it just too much now and he will need to ask his friends/family to help instead.

He will get the hint eventually. He obviously has family/friends, he needs to lean on them rather than you. If he gets aggressive or intimidating tell him he is scaring you and he needs to stop it, if it continues contact the police.

YellowLambBanana · 09/12/2016 11:23

God I feel for you this situation sounds awful. It's sad that he is lonely (albeit with some family) but he is monopolising your time and taking advantage of you.

Some of this could be bordering on harassment, but whilst you continue to engage with him and offer to help he's not going to change his behaviour.

Start with stopping engaging with him - agree with previous posters - if he tries to start a conversation firmly say 'can't stop on way to school / shops' and breezily pass by (don't stop or slow down). If he's blocking your way ask him to move and keep asking him until he does (if he starts to refuse and physically stops you from leaving then that's venturing into pooch territory I think).

Do not open your door to him - ever again. If he knocks either ignore or shout through the door 'sorry can't come to the door at the moment' and then ignore.

Hopefully he will get the message and back off and leave you alone. If he doesn't then I think you've got a case for harassment and need to involve third parties.

averythinline · 09/12/2016 11:23

Please start keeping a diary - this is sounding like harassment I would be talking to the police- it is very intimidating behaviour...you may have to have said no a few times first though....

Berthatydfil · 09/12/2016 11:25

Do you and him own or rent ?
If you rent do you have the same landlord if so perhaps they can mediate.
You don't say how old he is but maybe you could try social services if he is old / possibly vulnerable

frauleinsallybowles · 09/12/2016 11:26

what a horrible situation to be in op

YellowLambBanana · 09/12/2016 11:28

*police not pooch...

Katy07 · 09/12/2016 11:33

Stick a note on your door saying 'Migraine - do not disturb' then if he does ring / knock you can (sort of) legitimately point to the sign and say 'Pete, I have a migraine, I've made it clear I don't want to be disturbed, please respect that' and shut the door firmly. If he knocks again then 'FFS, I said I had a migraine. Go away and do NOT disturb me again' and shut the door with vigour :)

BlueBlueSkies · 09/12/2016 11:35

It must be awful for you and DD.

He sounds very very lonely, but this is not your problem to fix. As he talks about friends and family he sounds as if he has a social life, is he able to go out on his own. I

f he is over 75, there are charities that do help lonely elderly people. They are not carers but just come over to chat or take them out.

Contact the Elderly run monthly tea parties. you can refer him by phoning them or the council.

Your local Age Uk will also have a befriending programme, maybe call them and see if they can arrange social clubs or a visitor for him.

Also as everyone else suggests, keep saying No.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/12/2016 11:40

I would now be having a word with the police here because this is escalating to the point of harassment.

mscongeniality · 09/12/2016 11:41

At first I thought he sounded like a very lonely old man but your subsequent posts have creeped me out. He doesn't sound that old or senile and I would feel very intimidated like you are. Why didn't you tell your daughter to not open the door and just ignore his knocks if you were in the bath?
I think you're gonna have to get a peephole and just ignore him when he comes to the door. As for him blocking you, like PPs have said just avoid eye contact and insist on him moving as you are very late. Don't show any interest in having any conversation.

Berthatydfil · 09/12/2016 11:41

Have you thought of actually blowing up at him next time.
Pete you HAVE to get out of my way I CANT STOP I have to get Jenny to school and she's getting in to trouble EVERY DAY BECAUSE YOURE MAKING ME LATE.

So please GET OUT OF MY WAY.

When he knocks the door Pete I'm BUSY GO AWAY. Shut the door

If he keeps on say the same followed by you're harassing me I don't want to call the police but I will if you don't leave me alone.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/12/2016 11:42

Why was I not surprised either to read that his own family are unreasonable people as well?. The rotten apples that are them did not fall far from the rotten tree. And yes, their dad is a pest.

Age is no excuse to act like this; you would not have tolerated any of this from a younger person either.

babyboomersrock · 09/12/2016 11:44

OP, can you recruit a friend or relative to come and stay for a few days - or preferably longer? You need to break this pattern soon or you're going to become more and more stressed. If you're bustling in and out, friend in tow, I bet the hassling will stop.

You've given him too many openings, in your attempts to be nice - something I learned about myself in a similar situation. You need to learn to say no, and not "maybe" or "later" - that just gives him reason to keep trying.

His age is no excuse. He's harassing you.

Having said that, how old is he? He certainly doesn't sound frail or he'd be unable to keep up this level of activity. Thank goodness you have an end in sight.