To hate this goverment?

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Brexit
. the pandering to UKIP values
TMay is deperate to pysh the button!
The rich getting ri her and the poor pooorer.
Public services being slashed

Hate em

This country is heavily dependant on immigrant labour especially in ag and fish. There was a thread not long ago about it, I think we decided to shove the pensioners and workshy into the fields and make them work for their benefits

Doesn't matter their ages, if all/some don't work you aren't supporting an entire household on seventy three pound a week. Not with a car and a dog.

I suspect the true figure doesn't quite meet the situation you are trying to portray. I doubt one person believes that the only income, whosever name it's in, is that tiny amount. The state doesn't let anyone live on that amount.

Of Corse while the pensioners are digging spuds they wont need carers so less immigrant labour will be needed in the notoriously badly paid care sector so a win, win methinks...

Sheldon I have messaged you.

No government is all things to all men, but I feel as though I am still in recovery from autocrat Blairs days - and new heinous crimes he has committed against this country come out all the time.

The gap between rich and poor grew under Labour and I voted for them, I felt ashamed and embarrassed actually. I will never forget the program on child poverty I saw ( under blair) ever. Blairs solution was to open the flood gates to extremely poor societies in Eastern Europe and stretch all those meager resources even further, and then we had the credit crunch on top and people wonder why now - we have food banks, food banks dont appear over night - the ground was firmly laid under Labour.

For now I am very happy with TM, and I hope we get a good Brexit.

MissMarple because they've read information from four or five years ago and interpreted it as current. They've been selective at what they've chosen to write about, selective targeting, whilst of course not getting the whole picture, most of which is also about on here, but it's easier to ignore those bits if they don't fit, isn't it.

Challenging the belief that disabled people are being made to live on £73 a week by the Tories isn't picking on any one. That's the lowest rate for an adult living at home with parents not a grown adult with their own home and adult children.

Political debate is good but at least use facts not portray a different story meant to garner hatred against a party to win a debate.

Brexit was voted for by residents of the UK, not a political party and both this government and previous ones have ensured a safety net is in place.

There's a really, really common mistake behind some of these posts. You're seeing the economy as a kind of fixed set of resources, instead of seeing it as a malleable system. Economies are not something 'natural' - they are manmade! They don't have solid walls but flexible boundaries.

Policy is one really important tool we can use to intervene in that system - it moulds it for the benefit of some groups and the detriment of others. At the moment, many poorer places are really suffering because policy has not been shaped in such a way to help the people who live there. Instead, the government and media have done a really great job of getting people in those places to hate on other poor people, particularly those from other countries, by picturing the economy as a closed system in which we must all fight each other for resources.

All this leaves those who are really benefiting, the top 1% (see my graph on the last page), laughing quietly all the way to the bank.

If I had known we were witch hunting I would have brought my broomstick.....

Seriously, do you guys REALLY think you can make a point about macroeconomics and the benefits system on the basis of one poster's statements?

There's loads of peer-reviewed evidence on this. How about bringing some of that to the table and making your case like educated adults instead of childish personal attacks?

oohitscoldbabe just stop it will you? Half your comments have been deleted, you are being unreasonably nasty. Just stop it.

Dawn I've pmd you.

Keep going ooh and hopefully you'll be banned.

Housing is key as mentioned so many times on here. A couple both working full time on NMW would have a nice standard of living if the mortgage/rent wasnt more than 20% of net income. Over time those housing costs would go to zero as the mortgage is paid.
The problem is tax credits make it so you might as well have one person working on 21 hours, or 16 hours if single. No point buying as HB pays the rent. Roll forward 18 years they have zero equity, still need to pay 100% of housing costs in rent and the kids are 18 and tax credits stop.
BTL needs destroyed to make first time buyer houses much cheaper in areas where they aren't. We need tax credits slashed by much more and the hours rules changes so people have to work full time, both in a couple.
Tax credits make people do the least possible, then end up in poverty with no skills from their mid 40s, state pension only at 65, no personal pension and with nothing to pass on to their children who simply repeat the cycle they know.
Its a trap that is just about to filter through the system as the tax credit children reach adulthood. All that money could have gone into social housing. It is a modern day disgrace.

oohitscold is a previously banned poster. I have reported. Again.

Just ignore and keep reporting

Goodness me

BBA

How do you spot a pbp? Is there a search I don't know about?

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It is a poverty trap employees should pay a proper living wage tax credit needs re looking at and I do agree ref housing but you also need decent jobs and to re skill workers those who hit 40 especially keeping the work returners and the de skilled workers up to date is vital...

And tax credits are another way that business owners and multinationals basically steal public money. They can get away with paying low wages, thus maximizing profits, because public money is topping them up.
This top 5 economy that we are in is in private wealth; much of which has been created by stealing from the public purse. And then these companies are also allowed to get away with paying next to no taxes!!

Then today on Radio 4 it transpired that private sector put nothing into research and development (of tech) etc, instead using public sector paid for research for it's own ends.

We are rapidly becoming a low wage economy. Look at the state of the prisons. Bring a prison officer was a career, with the decent wages and training associated. Now it's a shit dangerous poorly paid, barely trained job that people only last a few months in. This is the way things are now.

Yes, it started with the menial jobs, it is now affecting middle earners. This was always going to happen, people are not stupid, why work full time when the state pays the extra between part time.
Britains productivity is appalling, some people want a job, any job to do as little as possible for maximum benefit.
It is also evidenced among the higher earners with Btl landlordism, buy house, rent out to housing benefit recipients, have the state buy your second or third home. Landlords are possibly the biggest benefit recipients, an unproductive drain on society.
A system has been created where the middle have been squeezed from above and below, the relationship between work and renumeration has been destroyed.
People have woken up and politicians are in disarray, what worked previously has broken.