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To hate this goverment?

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malificent7 · 07/12/2016 23:23

Brexit
. the pandering to UKIP values
TMay is deperate to pysh the button!
The rich getting ri her and the poor pooorer.
Public services being slashed

Hate em

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SVJAA · 08/12/2016 17:07

oohitscoldbabe why?

oohitscoldbabe · 08/12/2016 17:08

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SVJAA · 08/12/2016 17:08

Clearly there isn't any money available or she wouldn't be entitled to benefits.

oohitscoldbabe · 08/12/2016 17:11

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ghostyslovesheets · 08/12/2016 17:12

dfo Oohitscoldbabe

Coatgate · 08/12/2016 17:14

I see my big detached house as my insurance for a comfortable future.

MissMarplesHat · 08/12/2016 17:14

What a delightful person you sound oohits Xmas Hmm

Gowgirl · 08/12/2016 17:14

Its unfair that those that wont work (not cant) have forced it to this point, but there AR families out there who have never worked for a length of time, growing up in these households children are unlikely to develop a work ethic and aspire to better, by the time they are eight the gap is just too big to bridge.
In order to address this the government has to force these households to work its a terrible shame that people that cant work are caught in crossfire but until children are no longer brought up in a benefit culture they are going to have to keep making life harder.

SheldonCRules · 08/12/2016 17:16

I doubt very much the only household income is £73, that's just a figure for one small element. Pleading poverty when not working, having numerous children and owning a home outright makes a mockery of true poverty.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/12/2016 17:17

Sheldon, that is the only household income.

Suppermummy02 · 08/12/2016 17:19

We have been over spending for too long that a culture of entitlement has developed. Everyone feels they have a right to a 'comfortable' life irrespective of how much it costs and regardless of whether you work.

Weaning the country off its excessive spending is like taking sweets away from a spoilt child but it has to be done.

GraceGrape · 08/12/2016 17:20

While the idea of being self-supporting may be all well and good, the current government is not doing this. We are living in a society where people can be working full-time, sometimes in more than one job, where their wages do not pay for the roof over their head or to feed their families. Disabled people and those with mental-health problems are sanctioned rather than money being spent to support people into employment or to encourage disabled-friendly workplaces.

Several people have said that a government that proposed increased taxes would be a non-starter. I earn less than the national average but would gladly pay more in taxes to pay for better public services and to create a more equal society and I'm sure I can't be the only person who thinks like this. It works well in Scandinavian societies, for example, which are often lauded for their quality of life and social equality. Sadly, social democracy has never really found a wide support-base in this country.

Better still, I would like a government that expect the wealthiest in society to pay their fair share. They may well work hard, but so do an awful lot of people who earn a fraction of their salaries.

Nandocushion · 08/12/2016 17:20

I might have agreed with you at one point, OP, but I live in the US and frankly there is no comparison. I'm really frightened for the future now.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/12/2016 17:21

Weaning the country off its excessive spending is like taking sweets away from a spoilt child but it has to be done.
I agree, let those that can afford it contribute a touch more, rather than those that can't.

MissMarplesHat · 08/12/2016 17:24

Ensuring big companies who make billions pay proper taxes would be a start.

shovetheholly · 08/12/2016 17:25

The trouble with austerity is that a lot of wealth is coproduced between the public and the private sectors. It's just not as simple as private companies generate wealth/public sector companies spend wealth. The private sector is hugely reliant on the public sector - not just in terms of more obvious things like heathcare for employees, but for actual innovation. This runs through everything from Apple's very heavy use of public sector-funded research in its products (Mariana Mazzucato's work on this is summarised here: time.com/4089171/mariana-mazzucato/)to big pharma's reliance on university science.

Furthermore, much wealth and many jobs are generated through things like public sector infrastructure projects.

When you put austerity in place, you cut the public sector! So if we move away from the outdated idea of a public/private division and start to see the two as highly entangled, you can see how this tends to contract the economy as a whole.

havingabadhairday · 08/12/2016 17:26

Its unfair that those that wont work (not cant) have forced it to this point

No. A few people, and it's a small minority, taking the piss does not excuse what is being done to often vulnerable people.

This is ideological through and through, the so-called 'skivers' are just being used as an excuse to make it more palatable to voters who think that label could never be used about them.

shovetheholly · 08/12/2016 17:27

Apologies, that link should be: time.com/4089171/mariana-mazzucato/

ThoraGruntwhistle · 08/12/2016 17:28

I honestly don't get, given the absolute mess the current government are making of everything decent we have in this country, especially the NHS and the welfare system, how people are still saying that they will vote for them again in 2020. Why would you want more of this? What on earth has Corbyn ever done that makes him a worse option than giving Tories even more time to make poor people poorer whilst they ignore huge companies not paying their taxes?

This 'unelectable' line has really got into people's heads and doesn't seem to be something than can be turned around. I don't know what the alternative is, but we really need one.

oohitscoldbabe · 08/12/2016 17:30

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havingabadhairday · 08/12/2016 17:32

I agree with gracegrape. I also earn considerably less than average, but would willingly pay more tax. I've seen some of the effects of this governments policies on vulnerable people - including at least one suicide - and it's appalling.

MissMarplesHat · 08/12/2016 17:33

The biggest chunk of welfare spending, by far, is pensions. Disability benefits is tiny in comparison.

SheldonCRules · 08/12/2016 17:34

Sorry Dawndonna, but I don't buy that. A single person living at home with parents might get just JSA at that rate but given you claim to be too sick to work, your husband doesn't work and you a few children there's no way on earth you only get £73 in benefits. Not a chance. The government pays way more than that out.

I suspect that's just what you claim in your name and are forgetting to mention what all the rest get.

Dawndonnaagain · 08/12/2016 17:35

oohits I have no idea why you have decided to pick on me. But a number of points.

  1. you've either name changed because you're too cowardly to post under you're usual name, or you're a new poster.
  2. you think you know my situation, or you do know my situation and are pretending not to know all of it, which is a bit of a problem, because if you do know me irl, then why are you trolling me here, I haven't done anything irl to deserve it.
  3. Two of my children work.
wheresthewine36 · 08/12/2016 17:35

Mistoff are you joking? "The government is doing excellently as regarding the economy"? The deficit has more than doubled in the 6 years Conservatives have been in power...more children are living in poverty...foodbanks are the only thing standing between some people and serious malnutrition. Yeah, they're doing a great job. Tip-top, if you subscribe to the "I'm alright and anyone who isn't is a work-shy scumbag" school of thought. Which I presume you are, hence your charming use of the term "pleb" and your assessment that withdrawing benefits from disabled people is "encouraging them to support themselves".