To hate this goverment?

[malificent7]

Brexit
. the pandering to UKIP values
TMay is deperate to pysh the button!
The rich getting ri her and the poor pooorer.
Public services being slashed

Hate em

If you don't like it OP then do something about it. We're a democracy. When was the last time you wrote to your MP? Or better still join a political party more aligned to your views, help them, campaign for them, even stand for them.

We're a democracy. The ruling elite are only the ruling elite because we let them be.

The ruling elite are the ruling elite because the opposition is weak actually.

There's are no decent alternatives to May at the moment. Corbyn has made Labour unelectable, and none of the other parties are going to get decent votes, as their policies are weak. I would be far more afraid if someone like Corbyn was prime minister - the man is clueless and totally out of his depth.

That's what is really scary, there is no true alternative at the moment. The general electorate don't seem to like Corbin.

No Govt should be unopposed, there always needs to be a valid and challenging opposition. At the moment there isn't one.

"I'd suggest that they looked into capping the amount landlords can charge"

Yes, the Rent Acts worked so well, didn't they?

Hating the government is not a new thing. Elites are a new invention. Could someone please define these elites and list some members of them? And explain why we are suddenly obsessed with them and their alleged mystical powers?

"Years of overspending plus a collapsing global market meant that austerity was necessary"

Actually, a lot of economists - including some Nobel prize winners - think it was a huge mistake.

"Actually, a lot of economists - including some Nobel prize winners - think it was a huge mistake."

And many, many don't. The best we can do is compare to the way the UK market is doing compared to many others, looking to compare the most similar possible.

Do a simple google such as 'uk economy compared to europe' and you'll spend quite a while searching for disparaging comments as opposed to those suggesting the UK being set to overtake Germany to become the 6th largest in the world.

Of course you can find opinions against but the majority are 'for'.

I said this on a thread yesterday. Austerity is a deliberate political choice that has helped the very richest to get richer whilst demonising the poor and vulnerable, making them out to be lazy and feckless. Reading some of the comments on here makes me realise how successful the government has been in selling this rhetoric.

It's an utter disgrace when one of the wealthiest countries in the world has increasing numbers of people surviving from food banks. Many working people are poorer than they were under previous governments due to the lack of regulation of zero hours contracts. I suppose the government is trying to follow in the footsteps of America, the wealthiest country in the world, which has one of the creates levels of wealth inequality.

And listening to the comments that the government makes about foreign workers, I often wonder how it is that I woke up one morning to a country governed by UKIP.

And I write regularly to my MP, who is a true-blue tory so doesn't take much notice of me.

I hate this government, which is the most right wing for years. The idea that the poorer section of society is well off is fundamentally flawed. More people in poverty than ever before. The referendum was a sop to the right wing of the tories and to stop their vote being split by UKIP. Several ministers have been shown to prove the "promoted to a level of incompetence" adage.

Having said all that Labour are about as electable as a tin of fish, when what we need is a strong effective opposition. Government works better that way. Still I hated the last labour government too... maybe I see a pattern here.

I think people are blind and gullible.
Brexit vote was based on outright lies and misinformation. All 'we'll be better off/give 350 million a week to NHS/control of borders were lies.
Government had no legal right to put it to referendum. Brexit people shouting for sovereignty then get cross when our sovereign laws are used to make a challenge. Daily Mail even trying to ridicule and dismiss our independent judiciary - which people don't recognise as a real safeguard - look to 1933!
Control of borders is twaddle too. Illegal immigrants are not from EU. Asylum is very different to illegal immigration but is being considered the same. We didn't even keep our promised duty to reunite lone children from Calais with family here.
Benefits are cut, public services are cut to a level where they cannot survive and people blame the services rather than the underfunding. It is a lack of cash, silly expectations and rising numbers of elderly that will compromise NHS not health tourism or migrants. It is not because of lack of money either - government is ideologically opposed to NHS (read stuff written by our SOS).
Farage has bred a culture of hate and mistrust, spreading lies about immigrant communities. Facts are immigrants have boosted economy. Immigrants enable NHS to function. Immigrant communities have lower crime rates than white working class communities. Immigrant children do better at school than white working class kids.
Yes nasty government wrapped up in Middle England at prayer.

mistoffeleze - This blog tries to quantify support for austerity amongst economic experts.

mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/the-academic-consensus-on-impact-of.html

Government had no legal right to put it to referendum.

Parliament is sovereign and passed the bill for the referendum. I wish they hadn't but to say it was illegal is just plain rubbish.

I think people are blind and gullible. Brexit vote was based on outright lies and misinformation

I disagree. There were lies and misinformation on both sides, but I think the majority of leave voters were quite clear that they wanted to leave the EU.

Facts are immigrants have boosted economy

They may well have done, but the benefits of a larger economy are not equally shared. Some people will have benefited from immigration, some people will have had their lives made more difficult (wages, conditions forced down).

Completely agree, Crumbs.

Mistof- your post in response to Jellis was one of the coldest, uncompassionate things I've seen. A disabled person sharing their struggles and how they've lost their benefits, their carers, and are being forced into work they cannot do and an employer won't take them, and you come and talk about how great it is that the govt are encouraging self-sufficiency. Wow. You have no idea what it's like to be disabled and struggling just to live. Hateful post

madhairday

Where's the hate in:

"Yes, the government are trying to encourage people to support themselves.
Years of overspending plus a collapsing global market meant that austerity was necessary. The state can't afford to support everyone.
The government is doing excellently as regarding the economy, even more so taking into the effect's of Brexit."

Because you wrote that in response to somebody describing their situation as a disabled person, a person who is unable to support themselves. Saying that the govt is doing excellently to someone who is desperate through no fault of their own. I just felt sad for Jelli.

I wonder where people live?

Yes funding for everything has been cut (SS, schools etc)

But all the factories have gone, in my youth there were about 4 or 5 big employers. Now there is one about 15 miles away. And not much of an employer as probably very automated.

Where is the income coming from to fund all the services? How can there be an option but to cut. The big employers are SS, police, local hospital, teaching.

I'm a Tory voter, but this lot are just incompetent.

Yanbu.

I am appalled by the current government.

• Lack of openness and transparency around Brexit plans (and before anyone says "they can't undermine their negotiating strategy"- nonsense. It's not paper, scissors, stone. The fact is that there is no coherent plan- Brexit is the most complex, difficult and important action a government has undertaken in decades and there is simply no plan, no vision. Why has there not been a white paper? Why are we still hearing crap like "red, white and blue Brexit"? Surely even people who voted Leave find this worrying?)

• Willingness to adopt the language of the far right, disregard the rule of law, characterise 48% of voters (and God knows what percentage of the country as a whole) as being anti-British.

• Lack of a coherent economic vision.

I am surprised to hear Conservatives defend them- they are becoming far more of a Ukip government than a traditional Conservative government (look at their contempt for the Union, for one thing). Not a spine amongst them.

Meanwhile the Labour party has been destroyed by hopeless Corbyn- not a developed policy to his name, nor any wish to oppose or to govern, it seems.

It's a dreadful state of affairs.

The Tories actually mostly were against Brexit - (Cameron resigned??). The people voted for Brexit - mainly those in the Old Labour Heartlands!

Cuts are horrible - but so are higher taxes. No-one wants less of anything.

Poor getting poorer - depends how you look at it and what you compare it with. And rich - who are they?? The middle classes with kids and mortgages?? Because they are getting poorer.

All you have done OP is a rant that would be worthy of a Year5 poster competition. Make some well-argued points. (This is MN after all - )

Yanbu

Ok some well argued points:
Rise in homelessness
Rise in xenophobia ( or at least expression of already latent xenoohobia)
Some unsavory characters who are the opposite of progressive:
Andrea Leadson-racist
Liam Fox- Homophobic
Boris Johnson- indecisive (changed from remain to leave hence taking us out of EU ( make up your mind)
Theresa May-scary- couldnt wait to reinstate Trident spending millions whilst cutting benefits. Was very vocal about pressing the nuclear button- trigger happy.
Jeremy Hunt- out to destroy the NHS.
Gove- all of the above plus he back stabbed Boris- machiavellen.
That terrible racist Home Office lady