To hate this goverment?

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Brexit
. the pandering to UKIP values
TMay is deperate to pysh the button!
The rich getting ri her and the poor pooorer.
Public services being slashed

Hate em

Brexit is what most people in this country want and last night 448 MP's voted for it. So its a done deal and I am very happy with how its going. No one has ever voted to join the EU we have now, its become a corrupt, undemocratic, bureaucracy that was subsuming our country. We will be better able to protect our most vulnerable when we are sovereign again.

As for austerity not working! We haven't had austerity, I just looked at the figures over the last decade and every year our country has spent more and more money. We really need to cut back and get out deficit to zero as fast as possible.

UK government spending:
2011 £714,335 million
2012 £720,871 million
2013 £739,797 million
2014 £745,397 million
2015 £756,105 million
2016 £761,909 million
2017 £784,058 million
(2018 £796,696 million)

Next year we will spend around £48 Billion on debt interest payments, how much better would our NHS be if we could have spend that money on it?

Years of overspending plus a collapsing global market meant that austerity was necessary. The state can't afford to support everyone

The government really can't use the "It's all Labour's fault" excuse. They've been in power for almost 7 years and have to take responsibility for their own mess, up to and including the utter stupidity of deciding to have a referendum.

Cuts are horrible - but so are higher taxes

There is a bit of a difference between people like me who are earning having to pay a few hundred pounds more in tax, and people who are already on the breadline being unable to afford to heat their houses or buy food because of cuts.

Cameron and May were both Remainers.

Your Jezza is a pure Brexiteer or, worse, thought himself too "pure" to share a platform with Tories to encourage the remain vote.

All MPs are now terrified of going against Brexit as they (mistakenly in my view) think there would be riots.

Your information on austerity is out of date, OP - instead of trying to balance the books by 2020 we are now going spend, spend, spend for Brexit! And as Supermummy points out above, austerity never really saw the light of day.

We need another coalition of all-party pragmatists to work on our self-induced problems.

The last thing this country or any country needs is extremist ideology of any persuasion.

The funniest thing is the OP loving someone who is so unelectable that we are assured of no Labour government for years to come thank god

Austerity is not necessery they are kidding you... fighting massive wars abroad isn't necessery the money they save from that would dig us outta the 'debt' that really actually doesn't exist.. the world bank wants us all in debt it's a form of social control... drop the debt move outta Europe get rid of the central bank and invest in the generations of people here who are struggling but they won't do that cause they ain't allowed ....

the utter stupidity of deciding to have a referendum
Yea democracy is a biatch, bring back dictatorship.

the 'debt' that really actually doesn't exist
lol, the conspiracy theorists are crawling out...

How about we pump cash into a failing system, 30 hrs free 'childcare' for all then we can widen the early years education gap insuring an underclass for everyone to look down upon...
We could up corporation tax to pay for it! Oops what employment we do have has moved somewhere more hospitable. But still we can always wave some flags and pat ourselves on the back as we 'took back control'

Personally I wouldn't want mays job, things are going to get far worse for a lot of people in this country...

OP - they are not well argued points. That is primary school taunts.
"Fox is homophobic, na na na na na"

There is a rise in homelessness but the question is why and what can we do about it? Essentially too few houses for too many people. So do we stop people having kids/ moving out of parents' homes, coming to the country from abroad? Or do we build more and more houses? (And the roads and schools that they need?) Think it through, present a case as to why this was the fault of this government.

(I would say that Thatcher's right to buy was a factor as were Tony Blairs' increased immigration policy and the EU's free movement of people forcing the UK to pay Housing Benefit to non UK citizens). But nothing is black and white.

so it was better under previous governments including the other lot?

too many people, taxes too low, money being spent unwisely. Think of the household financial problems you see on here - the country has the same issue.

the extra people aren't going anywhere. Those who need help due to disability aren't going to need less help. So we need to stop wasting money (HS2, wind farm subsidies, large corporates avoiding tax, endless consultants, stupid energy policies and so on), raise our income by raising tax on higher incomes and closing loopholes, and spend sensibly.

too easy. BTW Corbyn and his student politics of hate are not the answer either.

Of course we've had austerity Suppermummy02
The figures you quote just prove that it's not working!

The debt is just electronic numbers not a literal debt if we deleted it what do you loose ? What are they going to do come an repossess the Queen? "Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they hint after you" Greece forced into massive debt by Europe its all false numbers get it gone get rid if the central banks hang the bankers and put the Politicians in prison start again

Labour currently are 19% behind the Conservatives in the opinion polls.

If things are that bad, why is that?

I agree with you Jelly and as the mother of 2 disabled dcs their future terrifies me

I think Labour are behind in polling because, quite honestly, despite strong support from a core group of supporters, Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable. I consider myself left-wing and have voted Labour in the past. I agree with several of his policies. I would never vote for Labour under Corbyn because he has demonstrated very poor leadership skills. I don't think he would be able to lead a government successfully. I also don't like the influence of John McDonnell. Where I live, labour have no hope of winning the seat anyway, but I do know of other former labour supporters in constituencies currently held by Labour that feel the same way.

It's a sad state of affairs when a government is clearly doing a terrible job but they are likely to remain in power because the opposition has such a lack of credibility. I predict that the Conservatives will probably win another term, then Labour will hopefully get their act together. I dread to think how the vulnerable in society will survive for another 8 or 9 years if the government sticks to its current policies.

I disagree that Corbyn is a poor leader. I think he is the most inspiring leader in British politics for a very long time and joined the Labour Party because of him.
I don't understand why anyone would want to keep the incompetent and venal Tory's in government. Austerity clearly hasn't worked and they have blamed Labour for their failings for far too long.
Now they are making a cock up of Brexit. How can they possibly be re-elected in 2020, I don't see it happening tbh. I think they on the way out.
My fear is the people may just decide to vote UKIP as a protest vote and we will end up a total right wing hell hole.

Brexit was as a result of a public vote, it can't be blamed on the government.

There's also nothing wrong with encouraging people to self support by making changes to the system, it should have been happening anyway rather than people expecting to do nothing, There will, of course, be some that can't support themselves due to illness or disability and a safety net should be there for the basics. It just that people have very different ideas of living within their means and what is essential and what is nice to have etc.

Raising taxes to provide for others is a non starter for any party. Lots want a return to a self supporting system, if they didn't Labour would have been back in power by now.

The referendum was a massive mistake. Our political system is a parliamentary democracy not a direct democracy, and trying to introduce an element of direct democracy was always going to be a mess- so we have a Tory PM whose government gave a manifesto commitment to remain in the SM and who personally campaigned to remain, trying to steer us through Brexit, plus MPs who we know don't support Brexit feeling they have to vote for it, but without anyone having the least idea what it is. It's a complete shambles. Cameron should have stood on a platform of remaining in the EU, let Ukip stand on platform of leaving the EU, and let the voters decide at a GE. Instead he massively overestimated not only his ability to negotiate with the rest of the EU but also his own personal popularity, and has left us with the current almighty mess.

The funniest thing is the OP loving someone who is so unelectable that we are assured of no Labour government for years to come

Yep.

I think he is the most inspiring leader in British politics for a very long time and joined the Labour Party because of him.

Yep so inspiring even with the mess that Brexit is, his polling is the worst for a Labour Party for decades. As opposition leader at the moment he should be way ahead!

He is the reason I and many like me have left the party.

Do tell me how 73 quid a week is helping me. I have a number of disabilities and ptsd. I have more outgoings per month, than I have coming in and that's before the purchase of food or petrol. It's going to be a long cold winter and there are people here who are comfortable with that. I'm interested in why?
Pray, share.

Dawndonnaagain I genuinely hope nobody does say they're comfortable with that. Because they shouldn't be, it's bullshit and unbelievably unfair.

Is it a government? I just thought it was a random collection of prejudices and knee-jerk reactions that we found down the back of Nigel Farage's sofa.