To not understand how anyone would go to Dubai

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A woman reports being raped, and is promptly arrested for having non-marital sex. And this isn't the first time. How can anyone choose to go to such a savage, uncivilised place?

news.sky.com/story/british-woman-arrested-in-dubai-after-reporting-rape-10660134

'But the place is full of people who know how things should be and should have learnt from history. It's not in a time warp you know.'

Did you miss the bit on our very recent illegal warmongering? Our massive trade in weapon selling? What's our excuse then? Since we know sooo much better than everyone else in the world? We too are continually progressing. Do you really expect a homogeneously moral world? If you do, you really are dismissing important aspects such as culture, societal structure and class and how they present differently in different countries.

Now if you said, should I visit America for a holiday, I, following your argument should say no. Why? Because despite supposedly knowing better and having equal rights enshrined in their constitution, there are still significantly higher proportions of unnecessary deaths caused by police authorities to people from ethnic minorities. In my opinion, this is far worse, because the west claims to have morally evolved part this point. So I logically I should not go to Florida this year.

I have stayed at Jumeriah Beach, I have dined at the Golf Club, and I have been for drinks at the Burj Al Arab

Oh bless!

You should have tried the Crown and Treaty on the High Street.

Uxbridge High Street that is

I have no idea about Dubai High street, I hear there are about 12 of them

Antiquesinger "Did you miss the bit on our very recent illegal warmongering? "

No. It was wrong. The excuse = our democratically elected Parliament that is made up of men, (some) women and a range of religions and ethnicities voted to support this war.

If someone choose not to visit the UK because of this I would fully understand.

Now, have you checked out those websites yet?

Is that too just money and bad taste then booklookwe?

I went to the high street too, and the market, and it was nice and vibrant. Did a barge ride also, and dessert safari, with dinner out in the dunes. Loved all that.

People move there because of money. Very well paid jobs. Not for me thank you.

Lots of people dont want to visit Norway either, because of the whaling. The Northern Lights cant persuade them otherwise, neither the mountains and the fresh air, or watching the whales swim in the fjords. To them, the fact that there is a certain quota of a certain species of whales hunted annually means Norway is out as a holiday destination.

I would not ridicule people who feel strongly about whale hunting and animal welfare, and I dont think it is right to ridicule people who feel strongly about womens rights and human rights and call them ignorant either.

It does not matter if the country is old, or young, nice weather, sunshine, have a vibrant market and good food, try to enforce hardhats on everyone but the sihks, as long as sharia law is so strong, and women go to prison for adultery if they report a rape. To them this is the deal breaker.

Amanda

Yeah id rather get raped in the UK than Dubai too. The U.K. would probably be my favourite country in the world to get raped in.

No it was illegal. We went on the basis of concocted and incorrect 'evidence' and did not abide by the UN charter. Hence the Chilcot inquiry, which stopped just short of declaring Tony Blair a war criminal (typically). Voting for something 'democratically' (I think a pure democracy would ensure its citizens can vote on the basis of accurate information and facts) does not morally right make it, (I actually think it makes it worse, since it broadens our culpability) and you have argued on the basis of the west having some sort of moral superiority over that of Dubai and gulf countries, whilst simultaneously and conveniently white washing uncomfortable facts about our own history and development of human rights.

Well, In a woman and love Dubai. Been there at Christmas - hotels play hymns 'Noel Noel Born is the King of Israel' as robed arabs drink tea and westerners in beachwear slug G and Ts. Everyone just gets in with it. Service is outstanding, everything is spotless clean, never felt oppressed... I live off the Edgware Road and that is a million times worse. And Barbados - you can't walk about there comfortably at night. Delhi same. Sri Lanka same. Maldives you feel the distaste of the locals. Who goes to Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia these days? It's a forward looking city. And those that compare it to Saudi - I can only suppose they have never been to either place.

Those of you with long list of places you won't travel to... where do you travel to? There's probably plenty of poverty, social injustice, legal unfairness and other crud everywhere.

I read an interesting take on Democracy:

“the United States is not a democracy because American citizens are ill-informed,” or even “American citizens are ill-informed because the United States is not a democracy.”

The premise being that citizens in a democracy needs to be well informed or knowledgeable for democracy to work.

scholar.harvard.edu/jlhochschild/publications/if-democracies-need-informed-voters-how-can-they-thrive-while-expanding-en

Thinking of the Brexit referendum, people did not vote based on knowledge or fact, did they?

Ho Hum back to Brexit.
It's a fact that people rejected the EU.
Don't you know(ledge) that?

I know the people of Britain has spoken, and it is not my business what the UK does, I dont live there. I love Britain, but it is no longer my home.

I am just questioning democracy, which is a topic on this thread. I do find it interesting that some say that the basis of democracy is that the people has information and fact. It seems to me that in modern democracy fact and information is replaced by mudslinging and media circus in some places.

Been there at Christmas - hotels play hymns 'Noel Noel Born is the King of Israel' as robed arabs drink tea and westerners in beachwear slug G and Ts. Everyone just gets in with it.

I fully admit I've never been, but I love this forum just for the fact you can learn new things - knowledge and debate is the way to open minds and this is why MN's great.
So I may say stuff and ask questions too. I'm assuming where you went was a heavily populated tourist area?
So it will be nice, won't it. From my extent of knowledge, alcohol is forbidden. Happy to be corrected. So if so how come it's allowed in the safety of big swanky hotels and areas? Why is it suddenly OK to chuck rules out of the window if you want tourist's money flashing?
Either you're allowed a G and T or you're not.
So it's obviously a lovely place IF you're cossetted in the nice touristy bits. Be female and run into difficulties it wouldn't be as lovely.

Strawberry. I know several people who have gone there and other gulf states for work. Most for the money, yes, but when you think about it there are loads of people in London there for the money and sending it back home. I know one family who have made it there long term home - but that is where sadly the woman died and the husband stayed on with the kids because of the benefits like maid, school fees. Others stay there for 5 years then come back. I wouldn't say the women have had any more difficulties than the men. Men and women alike say there is some suppression of opinion in the attempt to present the place as a 21st century city. That is probably true. But it is miles better than Yemen, Saudi, Jordan, Pakistan, so I personally support it in its efforts to move forward.

Those of you with long list of places you won't travel to... where do you travel to? There's probably plenty of poverty, social injustice, legal unfairness and other crud everywhere.

The Black Forest is a very nice holiday destination, and it has no more injustice than anywhere else in Germany - where I live anyway.

Besides, if I could actually afford to go abroad, there is plenty of countries that treat women -. i.e. me - no worse than Germany.

There is having moral objections, and then there is common sense.

Why go to a place where you are hated not just by some few people but by the government itself?

Why go to a place whose very laws do not acknowledge that you are human, a country that will not let you leave again?

*I have stayed at Jumeriah Beach, I have dined at the Golf Club, and I have been for drinks at the Burj Al Arab. On that basis I agree it is money and no taste

There are far nicer places than the ones you've mentioned.

Hi Strawberry - as you are happy to be corrected - alcohol is only illegal for muslims here. There is an offy next to my local supermarket. I shouldn't have clicked on this thread as, as ever, the amount of people who think Dubai and Saudi are the same place is astounding. Dubai (the UAE) is a young country trying hard to shake off old ways and social mores. As such is should be supported not reviled. Veiled I think we have worked in the same school!

Dubai is just one big shiny polished turd. It is however heaven compared to the filthy dirty racist mysoginistic hell hole that is the K of SA.

as you are happy to be corrected - alcohol is only illegal for muslims here.

Even that isn't really the case - they can get it in hotels and bars. What they can't do is get a licence to purchase it from the booze shops to drink at home.

Personally I would skip Dubai and head to Oman truely beautiful country, the locals are charming and it's much more interesting. Can't see the appeal on going on holiday to visit shopping centres and stay at glitzy hotels.

Orangebird have you been to KSA?

Yanbu. Plenty of better places to go. Seems very fake and dangerous but not been, never want to go so cant judge it.

Dubai is not dangerous just pretentious and so dull compared to Jordan, Oman or Lebanon.