Trump has won 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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WTF have I woken up to? Everyone is calling it for trump 😭😭😭😭😭

I'm still have trouble sleeping after brexit and now this 😭😭😭😭

FTSE due to open 4% lower on pre trading, well done.

Shove Some, not all of course, of the difference in numbers of graduates voting remain and leave can be explained by age - many less people went to university decades ago, and older people voted leave in higher numbers than younger.

One of the things Trump has thrown into question is the future of NATO, 2cats.

The views that people r thick if they voted for trump are also showing just why this happened. If you've spent 8 yrs feeling unrepresented, why woulnt u vote for the only opposition? And people and most media denigrating u for not sharing the politically accepted view of what's right?
That would only inc ur determination to achieve something different.

Well said.

Hmthe k

So sooner or later there'll be war? but where will that get them. Does MAD not work anymore.

The views that people r thick if they voted for trump are also showing just why this happened. If you've spent 8 yrs feeling unrepresented, why woulnt u vote for the only opposition? And people and most media denigrating u for not sharing the politically accepted view of what's right?
That would only inc ur determination to achieve something different.

I have no idea what that means.

Trump gave people permission to be themselves, the good, the bad and the ugly... and not to have the liberal worldview of the elite forced upon them. This was the secret of his success I believe more than anything else.

In seeking to progress their agenda of inclusivity and diversity (and I say this as someone who broadly supportive of this and was rooting for Hillary) the liberals who had dictated the agenda for many years ran ahead of the people, pushing an agenda without taking account of the consequences on many ordinary people who were overlooked, belittling and remonstrating with them if they expressed views which didn't accord with their 'liberal consensus'. Liberals have lost power and influence their because they (we) were arrogant, condescending and dismissive of those who didn't share their (our) view.

Marine Le Pen has been hanging around the block for decades! It won't happen.

"Brexit won't happen! We are not that stupid!" "Oh..."

"Trump can't become President! Ultimately Americans are too patriotic to want to become the joke of the world!" "Oh..."

There is a rising swell of the 'ism's in France, as there has been everywhere else. I'll be astonished if Le Pen doesn't win, and the only way I think it can be avoided is if the other parties decide to out-'hard right' her. I have friends in Paris who say that a promise to remove migrants from France will be the election winner.

Mary are you saying that voting to leave the EU is voting for a racist policy?

Can you expand on what you mean by "uneducated" views?

Wrongtrouser - There is some truth in what you say there - the probability of someone voting Leave increases with age, and since HE has changed so much, the proportion of people with degrees can be lower in older groups. However, this article chunks the data by age and education. It concludes that within the same age group, the more educated were still less likely to vote Leave:

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/can-we-really-not-predict-who-will-vote-for-brexit-and-where/

If someone is racist, then they are racist! It's not a slur but a fact.

Marine Le Pen always does well in the polls (and after Brexit and this election result who would believe them anyway), funny that she was the first to congratulate Trump on his win. Marine Le Pen, openly racist congratulating another openly racist person.

This takes promoting someone out of harm's way to a whole new level, doesn't it?

Marine Le Pen also congratulated Farage on the Brexit result. One racist congratulating another racist.

WrongTrouser I have not said anything about leaving the EU being a racist policy. I am questioning why it is apparently always unacceptable, whatever the circumstances to think that someone is racist or uneducated.

Trump promised the rich middle class elite a drop in taxes, this was what got him into the White House.

So sooner or later there'll be war?

No one knows - but I feel certain that the world is FAR more precarious under the sex-attacker, tax-evading, racist, politically inexperienced, impulsive twat than under Hilary.

As 'friend to Putin and hater of NATO' - if he wants to take America down an isolationist path, we can expect that dictators the world-over can do the fuck they like to their own people and their neighbours. When it all gets a bit 'too much' then maybe, just maybe, America - and a far weakened EU (well done Brexitters!) will call them out, maybe they won't like being called out by then, and it kicks off...

Liberals have lost power and influence their because they (we) were arrogant, condescending and dismissive of those who didn't share their (our) view.

Well said Banana. couldn't agree more. I watched the results come in then saw Trumps acceptance speech but have been working since then so just now tuning in to all the other comments etc.

Trumps win was totally predictable following the brexit vote. who next? that's the question that they should be asking in Spain, Germany and particularly France. This isn't the end its the beginning. The political left wing right on classes have had so many warning shots but haven't listened. Now they have.

I haven't RTFT so apologies if this point has been made but I also see this as an Urban vs Rural issue in its broadest sense. people in the rural hinterlands feel forgotten - rubbish transport, broad band speeds, choice of education, property prices often proportionally higher than average salaries etc. up until now speaking as a rural dweller, it does seem that no one stood for rural areas and issues. Trumps support is from these people who just feel disenfranchised. they are fed up of the "mother knows best " politics from people who have never had a job. people who live in cities who have no idea of their way of life. interesting times ahead.

Dropping a H bomb on a small town in the Baltics is a silencing technique. As is bringing down an aeroplane.

Trump promised the rich middle class elite a drop in taxes, this was what got him into the White House

Tax bribes getting an otherwise unpalatable party into power?! Surely not!!

Marine Le Pen, openly racist congratulating another openly racist person.

Countries are voting for racists now. It's the politics du jour. Why not France? Given what's happened there in the last year and the current anti-immigration climate, Juppe (or whoever it ends up being) will have to be able to stomach lurching pretty far right to see off Le Pen. I don't think we can compare this to previous French elections over the last couple of decades.

I disagree, THIS will be the area in which he will be exceptionally good. This is a guy who holds on to his water.

He has infamously thin skin and a huge ego, and he wants to win every argument for the sake of it. He was terrible in the debates against Hilary. And again, he has no political experience. (Not to mention that he's not even a good businessman.) He'll be speaking to people who have worked in politics for decades, they'll all run rings round him. All they can do is have him flanked by people who actually do know what they're doing who can literally feed him his lines.

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Oh, dear. You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

Polls are also now showing that it was older people who voted Trump. Younger people voted Clinton.

Yet, no doubt, like with Brexit, everyone is going to pretend that it was disenfranchised working class that done it and not Daily Mail reading Grandmothers.

Trumps support is from these people who just feel disenfranchised. they are fed up of the "mother knows best " politics from people who have never had a job. people who live in cities who have no idea of their way of life. interesting times ahead.

Trump got the most support from the middle class, middle aged white male.