To be aghast if Trump loses?

[PlanIsNoPlan]

Is there actually an Asylum big enough to take him and his ego? What will he do? How will he recover from his defeat? I'm also worried about Hill's voice - she'll have to do her acceptance speech just smiling knowingly.

[Pluto30]

I dunno, for all the reasons already listed in this thread (and others like it), because of reasons leaked by Wikileaks, because of reasons listed by John Pilger, because of her history from 2003-now, because of her proposal for a no-fly zone in spite of experts telling her it would be a disastrous idea and would merely escalate tensions with Russia etc. The fact that she has never held a consistent opinion (seriously, she's the definition of a backflipper), the fact that she said that black people were super-predators, the email incident, her poor management of the Benghazi attack, the fact that she sold $80 billion worth of weaponry to Saudi Arabia etc.

[VintagePerfumista]

I was secretary of a regional branch of CND in the 1980s so yes, know quite a bit about nukes and how I don't like them.

If one could be dropped on Trump in the next 72 hours, I may rethink.

[PickledCauliflower]

Clinton is worse than trump? Really?
She has been part of Obamas administration - most of the UKs labour and Lib Deb supporters support that (and I suspect many conservative supporters too).
Trump is where he is because of his wealth. He has no experience in office and he brags about sexually assaulting women.
How is Hilary Clinton worse? I understand that many democrat
supporters would like somebody more left wing.
But how is she worse than trump?

[Oakmaiden]

I think either of them would be a disaster as the leader of the most powerful country in existence currently.

I am finding myself curiously torn - because a perverse part of me thinks it might be better if Trump wins, because although he will be a huge embarrassment, no-one will really take him seriously on the world stage and it is extremely likely that his own party will hobble him and play puppets until they can get rid of him.

Whereas if Clinton wins there is a degree of ruthlessness there that I find very unnerving...

However, I am aware that this is sailing perilously close to voting for Brexit while thinking it will never happen, and the EU and British Government will come up with some last minute plan to change things to be the way I we want them to be. That is not going to happen, either...

[CheerfulYank]

The thing is, the things people throw out as flaws in Hillary (she's cold, too strategic, manipulative, etc etc) are why I trust her. She is all about strategy and playing the long game. Good.

Far, far better than a hot headed power hungry narcissist who will never forgive or forget the tiniest perceived slight.

Again, there is no universe in which Clinton is a worse or more dangerous choice.

[EnthusiasmDisturbed]

I do remember Trump wanted him in a debate audience

I thought maybe as much of the press is supporting Hilary (or so we are told) they may not give the story much attention not that it's thought to be so ridiculous that it's given little attention

[SpunkyMummy]

*Clinton is worse than trump? Really?
She has been part of Obamas administration - most of the UKs labour and Lib Deb supporters support that (and I suspect many conservative supporters too). *


And being part of the Obama administration is good because....?

Do you know what that many has done?! Be it deportations or in foreign policy.


I hate Trump. He's a mysoginist, a racist (or at least pretending to be), an ableist and many other things.

But voting for Trump is like throwing a grenade through the windows of the establishment. Something that may actually be beneficial.

[Rainbunny]

Cheerful - I find the use of such terms to criticise her with misogynistic frankly as well, we wouldn't criticise a male candidate for these traits.

Oh I read that Pilger article - I particularly love how he minimizes and dismisses Trump's "little bad habit" of being utterly racist in vowing to ban all muslims from coming to America and also kicking out and then building a wall to stop Mexicans getting in. I think all the commenters here who truly think Trump is a safer bet than Clinton (because of a theoretical fear that she will be a war mongerer) are clearly not Hispanic or muslim, as you don't seem appreciate the very real threat that Trump presents to minorities... or possibly don't care.

[claig]

'I do remember Trump wanted him in a debate audience '

He held a pre debate conference before Trump's third debate I think, but hardly any press came. It wasn't broadcast live on TV stations and the press that did come did their usual derision. As far as I know he has never been interviewed on any mainstream TV channel, only on alternative media stations where he and his aunt have been interviewed for over 20 years.

He held another press conference in Washington teh other day where he asked Monica Lewinsky to give him a Bill Clinton DNA sample. Fox turned up to the conference and he got better press. I think eventually it will all come out, especially if Trump wins.

[claig]

EnthusiasmDisturbed, he has a video on youtube called "Banished". It is about 9 minutes long. It is very sad and moving. He is a great guy.

[CheerfulYank]

Bullshit it is.

Trump IS the establishment. He's the one not paying his taxes and calling it smart, he's the one having his brand of ties made in China, he's the one filling his buildings with furniture made anywhere, everywhere, but the US.

He doesn't care about us. (Us being the blue collar Americans.) He doesn't care about us, he doesn't know anything about us, and he wouldn't like us if he did.

Everyone saying that he must love the country to "put himself through this" is delusional. He is mentally ill. He wants to be the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. That is IT.

Louis CK said it best. "Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him."

[CheerfulYank]

Plus I love how many conservatives talk about Reagan in glowing terms but decline to mention the HUNDREDS of American lives lost at foreign embassies while he was president. But lets talk about the four at Benghazi until we're blue in the face, hmm?

And you can't fucking ban Muslims. That's ridiculous. The consitution isn't just a very old piece of paper that says "you can have guns" and nothing else.

[Rainbunny]

For goodness sake - check out Snopes on the validity of this guy's claim:

www.snopes.com/bill-clinton-illegitimate-son/

If this man had a reasonable argument he could sue Clinton to demand a paternity test and don't you think there wouldn't be many anti-Clinton figures who would be happy to help him do so, why do you think he hasn't?

[Awwlookatmybabyspider]

I had a dream or rather a nightmare that he won.

[SpunkyMummy]

yank


I'm not a conservative. I don't rave about how great Reagan was.

[PlanIsNoPlan]

For those that are "terrified" somehow we survived the election of Ronald Reagan although helped by "The President's Brain is Missing" from SpittinImage.

[Pluto30]

Rainbunny, but you're going to ignore Hillary's racism? Her calling black youths super-predators?

Wanting a moratorium on Muslim immigration is hardly resigned to Trump and his supporters. Presumably a large part of the Leave vote at Brexit was fueled by anti-immigration sentiment; a far-right politician got more votes than the Greens in the Australian election for the same thing; France will likely vote far-right, Merkel will probably lose the next election; Austria voted far right etc. Is everyone in the world stupid, ignorant and racist? Or have they just had it up to their tits with the way things have been going for the past 13+ years?

[SpunkyMummy]

And yes. Trump is most likely mentally ill.

[HeyOverHere]

I'm American. I'm middle-of-the-road/undeclared, with a slight lean to the left. And I am afraid of the idea of President Trump.

I can give you a list of reasons a mile long, and someone can repudiate them all. But one thing people forget is this: Clinton knows the job. Trump does not. Clinton is a politician by trade; Trump is all corporation. Like it or not, to be president, you have to know how that "industry" works. President Trump would be a bull in a china shop, and a volatile one at that. Clinton knows her way around--and that includes how to avoid pushing the wrong buttons, and when to push the right ones.

President Clinton is putting a doctor in charge of the trauma ward. President Trump is like putting a Weeblo with a first aid badge in charge instead.

[claig]

Danney Williams was banned from youtube a few days or weeks back, but due to lots of protests organised via alternative media, his account was reinstated

[Lweji]

But voting for Trump is like throwing a grenade through the windows of the establishment. Something that may actually be beneficial.

Careful what you wish for, as you may get it.

[Rainbunny]

I certainly won't excuse that awful comment, except to point out it made 20 years ago in 1996 while supporting President Clinton's crime bill which was based on the prevailing theory at the time from researchers examining the prevalence of crime in inner cities. Of course the theory has correctly been debunked and she as apologised and made it clear that she was in the wrong and certainly doesn't think this way today. In fact she has called for an end to "the era of mass incarceration" and disavowed much of the 1994 crime law signed by her husband (which was also signed by other such members of congress including Bernie Sanders who I'm sure also regrets his decision now... Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I feel confident that she will not enter the white house with any intention of going after black Americans.

Now let's consider Trump and his views on Black Americans (since we've established his wishes to get rid of Mexicans and Muslims). Here's an article that summarises some of the reasons he would a terrible president for Black Americans.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/8-reasons-donald-trump-would-not-be-great-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82

[LowDudgeon]

VladimirsPooTin Sat 05-Nov-16 20:39:25

Lowdudgeon srop being spoon fed and use Google

How did I know you'd say that?

You know as well as I do that googling will just bring up masses of unproven nonsense. From the confident tone of your previous post you must have lots of evidence at your fingertips, so don't be shy.

[SpunkyMummy]

Lweji

I know. I would have never thought I'd be against the establishment. Looking at my family and my life it makes no sense. At all.

[claig]

I wouldn't trust snopes.

Watch and make uo your own mind whether it is genuine or not about Danney Williams