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to feel discriminated against at work for not having children???

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chicdiana1980 · 02/11/2016 14:21

I was accidentally copied into an email at work yesterday and I am really thinking about going to some kind of tribunal about this. I was feeling p*ssed off already but this is the tip of the iceburg!

to give you a background, I work for a fairly small company, office based. Pretty much everyone else in the office has children, and they are mostly young children. I don't have any children, and I am happy with this, but I feel like I get the brunt of it at work.

It seems like noone ever questions people when they take extra time off if they just say it's because of their children. Mostly it's leaving early pretty much every day to pick up children from school. Others who don't do this have 'parents evenings' or school plays or things, or get in late after the 'school run,' always laughing about how it's so stressful and that's I'm lucky. Sick days when the children are sick - how is this fair? Sick days are for the employee, not for employee and any family.

There has to be cover for the whole day, so it is usually me who ends up having to stay until the end, or get in early, so that someone is there. I regularly have to stay late as the colleagues who fly off at 3:30 to school leaves work that needs to be done. They say that they make it up in the mornings or at other times, but it's really no help.

Anyway, this has been going on for years now and I got to the stage where I thought I would just have to accept it as one of those things. But I was copied into an email (accidentally) which was obviously a round robin which had been going around my colleagues and the last person sent it to the entire office, not just their 'select group' (the select group being pretty much everyone but me). They were talking about who was going to be leaving early - and essentially they all were, leaving someone to say 'so who's gonna cover until the end ;),' and the last person said 'guess who. it's not like she has anything else to do anyway!'

I am seriously furious about this. I don't work Wednesdays but I am seriously considering going straight to ACAS or someone (our office is so small there is no real HR department) to make a complaint about this. I have been in tears for most of the morning - but before I do anything, would it be unreasonable to do this?

OP posts:
SuperFlyHigh · 04/11/2016 13:18

Zoe I'd go one step further and arrange or arrange for someone else to have a rota drawn up.

AlexaTwoAtT · 04/11/2016 13:22

This has got to be made official. Those women are users and they are bullying you and discriminating against you AND taking advantage of your decent nature.

SEND THE EMAIL.

PurpleDaisies · 04/11/2016 13:24

I'm amazed that in an office with flexi time there's no rota to make sure somebody is definitely there to cover until 5pm.

I'd arrange a meeting with your manager on Monday to discuss putting something in place.

PlayingGrownUp · 04/11/2016 13:26

You walk in there and you send an email saying you're able to push your commitment to Tuesday so you'll be leaving them until then to sort out any future arrangements regarding anything personal.

Go you OP!!! So proud of you cause it is so nerve wracking standing your ground.

As for raising the next generation? Not your problem.

SuperFlyHigh · 04/11/2016 13:27

Playing a charming phrase I would use is:-

"Not my monkeys not my circus" Grin

AlexaTwoAtT · 04/11/2016 13:28

Even if the manager is not in today, just send an email - today - making clear how offensive you found the one you saw where basically they were laughing at you and making it clear you are being victimised.
I would make clear I was taking the matter further, too, unless this stops.
That should alarm him/her sufficiently because the immediate buck stops with him/ her.

venusinscorpio · 04/11/2016 13:28

They are massively taking the piss out of you OP. They know this. They insult you in public, buy you a shit cake and give you a fake apology, and then do it again. It's not their place to tell you when you are allowed to leave early. Who the fuck do they think they are? Please talk to someone senior, or start looking for another job.

venusinscorpio · 04/11/2016 13:29

This is bullying and harassment. They are ganging up on you and it is not acceptable.

AlexaTwoAtT · 04/11/2016 13:31

Well said, Venus.

AlexaTwoAtT · 04/11/2016 13:33

I am seething in your behalf, OP. We have probably felt touches of this sort of thing in our own workplaces.
Go get em. They deserve it so much.
Bitches.

icy121 · 04/11/2016 13:36

OP well done for making a stand, although shame they bullied you into backing down. I hope you do seek legal advice though and fulling müller those cunts!!! We've got your back here too :-) virtual hand holding and support!

icy121 · 04/11/2016 13:36

*fucking müller even!!

user1467976192 · 04/11/2016 13:40

Super fly high your charming sentence is better than mine which is.. I don't remember fathering your child not my problem mate

havalina1 · 04/11/2016 13:51

A mother here - full time worker - I'm furious for you. What's with one of them flouncing out "sorry for raising the next generation"Confused idiot! has anyone spouted yet about it taking a village to raise a child? Wait for it.

They are SHITTING it about the email. They now they are screwed and trying to sweet talk and if that fails, bully you into a status quo with them.

Bloody bitches.

How are you now? Stand your ground. I think you certainly have grounds to take this to management. It is actual bullying.

ChocolateWombat · 04/11/2016 14:06

Flexible time has to apply to all. If there is something that needs covering, management need to sort out what the system is so that everyone gets a chance to be flexible and not just some people.

It is not up to the colleagues to decide who stays and who gets to leave earlier. Management need to decide this. The colleague who said they would contact management about you going, unless she has it agreed with management that she can always leave early needs to do her share of the staying until late.

I would email the management

'Quick query about flexi time and covering the office until close - I appreciate that the office has to be covered until Xtime but just wondered what the system is to ensure everyone has a chance to make use of flexi time and leave earlier on some days, so that staying until close doesn't fall to the same person each day? Currently, I am feeling as if everyone automatically assumes they have a right to leave at 3.30 and I am frequently left to cover until Xtime. I would also be able to use the flexi time that is part of all our contracts, so wonder if you might be able to look at what is in place to make sure we all get the chance to benefit from it. Many thanks'

This is a management issue, not one for the colleagues. It is poor management to leave colleagues to sort this out amongst themselves without some clear policy, as otherwise the selfish bullying type take advantage of those who are less assertive like the OP.

OP well done for trying to say something. However you now need to pursue this....no weak comments about the fact you won't always be able to say. These cows will always claim on a given day that they can't stay and have other needs. It can't be done on an ad hoc day to day basis. They do need to know in advance.....and so do you. It needs to be clear perhaps a month in advance , who stays until close each day. This isn't some good for you to sort out...but management need to.

If you chat to management about it and they try to suggest you should all work out amongst yourselves, point out that everyone needs to know in advance what is happening and who is responsible for that evening. Point out that unless management leads and rules on this, the people who are pushiest will get their flexi but others won't.

chicdiana1980 · 04/11/2016 14:08

The co-worker who stormed out has just sent an email to everyone (including me): "Being a mother is discovering strengths you didn't know you had and dealing with fears you never knew existed - I bet we all agree!"

OP posts:
DontMindMe1 · 04/11/2016 14:09

One of the others said that they do appreciate me covering but maybe if I gave more notice this would be okay

My reply would have been - "practice what you preach".

Stop covering for them and get HR involved.

HelenaDove · 04/11/2016 14:10

What an entitled fuckwit she is chic.

PurpleDaisies · 04/11/2016 14:12

The co-worker who stormed out has just sent an email to everyone (including me): "Being a mother is discovering strengths you didn't know you had and dealing with fears you never knew existed - I bet we all agree!"

Seriously? That doesn't sound very work related. Keep a copy of the emails and take them to the manager.

StealthPolarBear · 04/11/2016 14:12

Oh ffs she is ridiculous.
I never suggest this but I'd be taking the rest of to day as a sick day and job hunting.

user1478257085 · 04/11/2016 14:13

Being a mother is discovering strengths you didn't know you had and dealing with fears you never knew existed

Perhaps she means like having to stay and finish her shift without dumping on a colleague? Wink

AuntJane · 04/11/2016 14:14

"Being an employee is discovering that you have responsibilities both to the company and to your co-workers, and don't just leave the mess for one person to clear up - but I bet we don't all agree!"

ZoeTurtle · 04/11/2016 14:14

What a cockwomble.

PurpleDaisies · 04/11/2016 14:14

Posted too soon-what I mean is this don't stoop to their level and start retaliating. Keep it professional, keep a record of everything that happens and if management won't deal with it I'd kick up a massive stink and involve union/hr.

user1478257085 · 04/11/2016 14:16

I never suggest this but I'd be taking the rest of to day as a sick day and job hunting

Totally.

What a toxic workplace and the manager doesn't manage FA!

Hopefully, your replacement will stand their ground from the off and that will be the end of their piss-taking.

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