To think this man was rude on flight?

[Lionking1981]

On long haul night flight yesterday. My 5 year old would not fall asleep as she was quite excited and enjoying watching all the cartoons. After 5 hours, I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer and drifted off. I was awakened by the man infront shouting 'oh for fucks sake' and throwing his headphones on the floor. I realised my daughter had been kicking his chair, I apologised, got my child to apologise but he didn't even answer - just threw a glare and turned round. I of course stayed awake for the rest of the flight to make sure she didn't do it again. At the end of the flight, he stood up and said loudly that that was the last time he will ever fly with the cattle class. I know I should have theoretically made sure she did not kick his chair and I know it is annoying but surely this was just bloody rude ?

I have 2 five year olds btw. I would have been apologising profusely and telling dc off, but no instead you complain angry man was rude

No, the OP said she apologised and made her DD apologise

Bloody hell. i'm presuming the oh-so-virtuous folk commenting on this thread have no need for sleep. Well done to them for evolving past the need for petty human bodily requirements.

it's not U to fall asleep on a flight with a child. to the PP who said it's the same as falling asleep on a park bench and expecting your child to remain safe... errrr... NO! An aircraft is a small, safe area from which no one can exit without it landing. And I'd bet anyone would wake on landing. Not remotely similar to a park bench.

The man was rude. He should have woken the parent, or asked a crew member to wake the parent. Or asked teh child to stop. Or pretty much anything other than having a passive aggressing strop at a small child at the end of a flight.

Well, he's probably had 20 mins of being kicked quite possibly already asked nicely, seen you sleeping and just erupted....not nice to swear no but reasonable enough to be rattled.

YNBU. Yes it peeves you off when someone kicks your seat, but. You did both apologise. Children do get over excited and fidgety, especially
When they're excited, and staying awake when you're over tired is a lot more easier said than done, and let's put it this way. He'd have accepted the apology off a 6ft tall 6ft wide bloke.
Throwing things on the floor and effing and blinding. I'm surprised the aircraft team didn't get involved. As he sounded quite threatening. TBH

I think he was quite polite!

Swearing angrily in front of a small child? Polite?

Crikey.

You WNBU to fall asleep.

Flying sucks. It makes people irritable. He was rude to swear but not accepting your apology and the cattle class comment weren't especially rude.

Well if he was 'polite'. I'd hate to see down right rude

To the posters saying op should have stayed awake (agree a little but sometimes you can't help falling asleep) if child had fallen asleep, would op be allowed to sleep then? What if child woke up? Should op just stay awake the whole flight, just incase she wakes up and does all the things the pp suggested after first climbing over her sleeping mother.

People suggesting man should have asked the child politely to stop kicking. If the mother had failed to stop child kicking what guarantee did he have. The other oassenger didnt swear at you or your dc, but under his bresth.

Wrt comment, "am in my house, if my kids get out... strangle cat...... that is a facetious argument. The point in question is responsibility.

In my house I am responsible for my kids, outside my house I am responsible for my kids, in public I am responsible for my kids, in a park, or cafe, or plane I am responsible for my kids. I can't fall asleep, and deny responsibility because it's inconvenient, or I am tired.

If you can then expect criticism

Why does a difference of opinion justify calling other posters trolls?

If there is one thing guaranteed to make me absolutely murderous with rage,it is someone repeatedly kicking the back of my seat. Especially when the person doing the kicking is a child,with a parent sitting there doing sweet FA about it!

In the park the man can get away from your kid if she kicks his seat but in the plane he is stuck.

Under his breath Trouble?

OP said he shouted it and threw his headphones on the floor.

You're not the man in question are you? Here to share your version of events?

The only thing worse than seat-kicking is the person in front reclining, but that's a whole nother 10 threads.

PS I don't have suoerhuman powers to stay awake, but a feww coffees will keep me awake linger than a fuve year old.

I know my limitations and the age appropriate limitations of my children.

I prefer not to inconvenience my kids or others when we travel and plan accordingly, or we don't travel as far as we would like.

Nothing boils my piss more than kids kicking my seat, whether on a flight, at the cinema or in the doctors surgery - or anywhere. Teach your child that's its very rude to kick peoples seats or be prepared to accept the wrath of people who are pissed off with being constantly irritated by kids whose parents think the world revolves around their offspring and that everyone has to put up with inadequate parenting. Your child - your responsibility to teach manners!

Man, I myself have got up, turned around and told a child in the seat behind "this is a plane, not a park, please stay in your seat, with your seatbelt on, for your own safety, like everyone else on this plane". Child was 7-11yrs old ie well able to control himself.

Father was sat next to the child, ignored him, cabin crew tried three times to restrain child. Father continued to deny responsiblity.

There is no expectation to look after someone elses child. Ideally, in utopia, we would all love children, support and nurture in a non pervy way.

Back on the plane, get your child under control or expect criticism.

I think he was rude, if he'd looked round he'd have seen you were asleep and could easily have woken you to let you know instead of shouting and swearing about it. And 'cattle class'? He sounds like a total dick. This is coming from someone without kids by the way.

You'll find a lot of fellow parents saying you're at fault though because they like to feel they are far superior and much better at parenting

Sometimes it really hurts when your seat is kicked. It gets you right in the kidneys and is painful. If that happened for 20 minutes I don't blame him for swearing.

I didn't fly with my DDs until they were old enough to understand the concept of keeping thier hands and feet to themselves. I wish a few more adults could do this.

So you apologised. Woopie yah do. Some fake polite British apology that isnt really meant and isnt likely to change your behaviour in the future judging by this thread. I think the other passenger's behaviour was totally understandable under the circumstances.

So swearing at/infront of young children is acceptable? Classy!

I am struggling with this presumption of public benevolence.

I have children. I am entirely responsible for my children. It is very hard, but very rewarding work.

I am not responsible for anyone else's children, in the park, plane, pub, restaurant, no, not my responsibility. Thats down to you a OP. If your child kicks someones seat repeatedly, while you dozed contentedly next to your child on a flight expect criticism.

Sorry you're getting such a hard time on this thread OP.

Your child was in a window seat, safely restrained when you unavoidably dropped off to sleep.

Rude man would rather throw a strop and swear AFTER the event and AFTER you had apologised, instead of waking you and actually asking you to stop your child kicking the seat back?? What a prat.

YANBU.

And I can accept Critisism ,troublesmith - hence why I apologised and got my 5 year old to apologise. However, as adults, I do think we should have some dignity, restraint and basic manners when it comes to young children.