The Duke of York wants his daughters to be full time Royals?

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www.express.co.uk/news/royal/724136/prince-andrew-requests-princesses-beatrice-eugenie-kensington-prince-charles-queen-william

This is a Sunday Express link, not a Fail one.

So Andrew wants both of his daughters to have full time royal roles funded by the public & have larger apartments at Kensington Palace. Given that the only time I ever see them in the news is for dreadful outfits & holidays, to me they are embarrassing & a bit cringy.

Andrew is complaining that they are overshadowed by William, Catherine & Harry. But if you believe & support a system of privilege by birth such as the monarchy, then it stands to reason that the direct heirs are more important than the rest.

Does Andrew have a point & IABU?!

Di that is ^

The queen has a load of cousins doing royal duties because their fathers were sons of the king. They will gradually retire over the next years/decades. There aren't equivalent cousins of Prince Charles because the Queen didn't have any brothers (she wouldn't have become queen if she had). The most recent equivalent is Princess Alexandra, who does perform royal duties. So there is precedent for them to be working royals, it's just a decision to be made about how many working royals there should be.

If HM has decided to let her own children take on royal duties then that's one thing, but to expect the next monarch to then take on their kids is quite another.
(Although I can't help thinking that Zara would be welcome!)

Can you imagine how fast they'd be off the mark getting Fergie invited to all their 'work' dos?

Andrews daughters would love to get the chance to do royal "duties". They know it's a doddle. The royals call it "work", but really it's just doing stuff that if we wanted to do it we'd have to pay for the privilege.

That Telegraph article makes Princess Eugenie sound so relatable! Not.

Spongers the bloody lot of them. The revolution is well overdue.

Didn't he get caught out a while ago with an underage prostitute? Far too much money is spent on the royals as it is, they are undeserving and none of them seem to do an awful lot.

Charles said ages ago that he wanted a slimmed down Firm. Very wise of him although I don't agree with him on much else. Time for Bea and Eugenie to think of something else to do. Enough ribbon snippers already.

The monarchs siblings and their offspring do pass into obscurity and so they should.

Where are Princess Margaret's children? Exactly.

I don't mind the others, much better than president Blair, god forbid

Perhaps, but let's not forget that we'd get to elect a resident instead of being stuck with a hereditary monarch. Not so bad while the queen's still here, but maybe a very different matter when it's Charles and his partner's turn

Anyway, let's look on the bright side: Andrew having a go at least makes a change from his older brother's whinging ...

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Beatrice and Eugenie, based on knowing absolutely nothing about them as people - sure, they go on a lot of holidays, but it must be pretty tough, having to read about your often embarrassing mother's antics in the papers, knowing your dad's a bit dodgy and not that popular within the family, never getting any decent styling advice, then having to stand next to Kate Middleton and her racehorse ankles and immaculate Grooming at all events... I wonder how much their limited career success has been down to Daddy restricting what they can and can't do, as part of his My Girls by which I MEAN ME Are Significant Royals campaign?

My Dp works in royalty protection at BP. Prince Andrew is despised. he acts like an arse of the highest order, causes the protection team so much grief.

Work shy, grasping and entitled they take after both of their parents

The comparisons with business are inaccurate because the law allows a business owner to hand it over or leave it to anyone they wish. The law states that the monarchs eldest child (until very recently the eldest son) inherits. So second sons have never had a chance of getting it unless the eldest dies (Henry viii was a second son whose elder brother died). So Andrew can't act surprised that Charles' children overshadow his.

William and Harry both have military roles, alongside their royal duties. Why should their cousins not work?

I am finding this difficult to believe.

" I wonder how much their limited career success has been down to Daddy restricting what they can and can't do"

I wondered that also.

Princess Margaret's kids seem to have managed to stay pretty low profile considering they are the only niece & nephew of the current Monarch!

Then there was the time Fergie wheeled them out to cry about her in front of the cameras on Oprah. So undignified

I felt very sorry for them. I couldn't fathom why she would exploit them like that.

I can remember Fergie in the 1980s and it was odd how, with nice hair, figure and skin, and access to the best and most fashionable designers of the decade (!) she always looked terrible. I used to wonder how she did it.

I feel for Beatrice and Eugenie. They are always going to be overshadowed by Kate, and Andy knows it. I think they do as well.

I sort of skim the royal news. They seem so desperately and carefully dull. Hasn't one of them just split up and it didn't really ruffle the papers?

As the Op said if you believe in a hereditary monarchy, then you have to accept that the eldest gets the lot. I actually think it was unwise of Harry to give up his army role. Why would he devote his life to being second fiddle?

I get the feeling that both William and Harry would much prefer to be able to get a job and live without being photographed 24-7.

It is weird that these girls want to spend their lives listening to speaches and cutting ribbons. It sounds like my idea of hell.

never getting any decent styling advice, then having to stand next to Kate Middleton and her racehorse ankles and immaculate Grooming at all events.

See, from a fashion point of view I actually prefer Beatrice and Eugenie to Kate who, quite frankly, dresses about 20 years too old for her age most of the time. They take risks with their outfits which don't always work, but when they do then their clothes are far more interesting than Kate's.

I think this is far more about Andrew making a stand about his own position in the family with Charles, post-Brenda, than poor Beatrice feeling a burning sense of national duty to cut the ribbon at the Carshalton WI Centenary Crabapple Fayre.

I can't think of an occasion when B or E's fashion choices did work.

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