AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

[Ohbehave1]

After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

I think it would be a system worth looking at for those types of offenders at least aye. Can't see it any time soon. The U.K. Is just not set up in the same way to allow it to be as effective as it is in Norway. Different cultures.

I'm starting to think we're broken as a country Jen, the awful verdict in Wales, this case today, it just feels like depravity has taken over. I just don't know where we'd even start to fix it.

We've certainly gone very wrong somewhere along the way. loosening cultural ties with the US would be a start at repair IMO

Amen to that and then some!!!

I think I do the same job as ElizabethG81 As someone who has worked with offenders who were convicted of murder whilst a child, I can say that it is possible for them to be rehabilitated. Having said that from my understanding of this case the dynamics of the offender/victim relationship & level of pre-meditation are quite rare in a case involving children & I suspect the tariffs they are given at sentencing will reflect this. I don't think revealing their identities serves any interest in terms of protecting the public and I think that the privacy of the families involved should be protected. That is for the judge to decide. However, given that their identities are already widely known it is unlikely that they would remain anonymous.

Why the hell does it matter who did it? There is no reason for anyone to need to know unless they are directly involved. Do you want a photo to judge? A family toheap scorn into? Someone to chase with a pitchfork?

These things aren't kept secret for fun. I'm sure there's a good reason but I don't need to know it. I just hope that the children involved get the help they need ditto the families.

Haven't read the full thread but on the news I heard tonight on the BBC , it said that their names may be announced at a later date.

JenLindleyShitMom, yes the goal of rehabilitation is for that person not to re-offend. But this can be also achieved, and far more reliably, by confinement. Confinement is definitely more effective from crime prevention point of view. (But more expensive).

My question is - even if you assume 100% rehabilitation success - do rehabilitation programs affect crime rates? Is it possible that the perceived 'cost of committing the crime' is lower when rehabilitation programs exist, and that more potential offenders commit crimes as a result, knowing that they will be given a chance to turn things around, even in the event of the most hideous crime?

Ahh so you want proper throw away the key sentences? For just murderers? Or for other criminals?

I think not naming children in these sorts of cases is generally a good idea. Young killers will always be a big press story (because it's shocking) and reprisals will be worse as people seem to think that messed up kids doing horrible things is somehow more evil than fully grown responsible adults committing murder.

I do think this case is a weird one for anonymity though, as people were always going to be able to 'work out' who the killer is by merit of what is not being reported. So anonymity really doesn't always work.

Then of course a family member openly named them on social media. I can't find it in me to condemn them for doing so given the grief and pain they must have suffered.

Photos and names should be known so that they can be identified when and if they are released. Murderers shouldn't be helped to get a new identity

Because that won't lead to vigilantism or mob 'justice' when they are released or massively increase the chances of some deciding to target their family? And what about some poor sod who happens to have a passing resemblance to them or a similar name?

bastard your post skates a bit too close to the line of identifying the killers.

Why does it? It's out there, nothing I've said it's identifiable.

I did the same BastardGoLightly & completely agree

And what will be gained from knowing their name? Nothing and naming them will probably lead to people not involved in the crime (families, friends) being harassed

Yes it is identifiable.

How?!

Well if I explained that....

It's not illegal to know the names, just to publish them

And yes, if you hint enough to give it away then it's also identifiable and therefore illegal

Saying you can Google and find them on face book is not news Jen

The other information in your post was more than that.

But please don't repeat it to check what it was!

I honestly don't know whether identification should happen or not. I think it depends on the wishes of the victim/s family, and the type of crime.

Sometimes it's needed in order to protect the victim, too - here in NZ a few years ago, we had a case of child molestation by a celebrity, where the perpetrator was granted anonymity because he was the child's father. It wouldn't be fair for a toddler to have that plastered all over the papers, so she spent the rest of her life with that burden on her, on top of the trauma, so he got name suppression. Of course, people found out inevitably, but with the media not being able to print it etc, it's not out there so blatantly openly, for all and sundry to paw over.

I do tentatively think that rapists, child molesters, and multiple murderers should be identified in general though - not in the media at the time of their crime, necessarily, but in a registry at their release.

In situations with very young people, often it's a result of damage and trauma inflicted upon them by experiences throughout their life, which is very sad. It also might be hopeful that such a person could be rehabilitated. But it also sometimes seems that these young perpetrators are sociopaths, who will always present some degree of danger. to those who piss them off.