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AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

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Ohbehave1 · 18/10/2016 15:35

After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

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Andrewofgg · 18/10/2016 17:54

These two are not going to spend their lives in prison. They are going to be released at an age where they can still - if they choose - make something of their lives. But they have far less chance if they are named.

The tabloids will get by without the information.

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Ohbehave1 · 18/10/2016 18:03

Andrewofgg. Do you think it is right that they get the chance to lead a normal life? Their victims had every right to that but will. Ever have the chance now.

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MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 18/10/2016 18:05

what alerted the police to break in?|

PikachuSayBoo · 18/10/2016 18:06

I don't think there was a break in.

Hulababy · 18/10/2016 18:11

What does knowing their names do? How does it help the families of the victims? What benefit does it bring the baying public? How does it help to prevent them reoffending, or prevent similar crimes?

When they see released, and they will be after serving time, they will not be free to live their lives as they want with no consequences.

Local people know who they are. Anyone with google can discover who they are quickly. Though the press cannot name them it doesn't mean they are truly anonymous to the public. Not in this day and age. And they never will be. They will never really live a normal life even when released - they will live with those consequences forever. Their potential job opportunities will be limited, their ability to travel round the world will be limited, their future relationships will be limited, and so on.

They won't get away scot free and just live happily ever after once released.

And knowing their names won't help any of the parties involved, bit hinder them either (as they are already not really anonymous.)

mintthins · 18/10/2016 18:11

Rehabilitation not retaliation. No good can come of announcing their names surely.

JenLindleyShitMom · 18/10/2016 18:12

Do you think it is right that they get the chance to lead a normal life?

Their lives will never be 'normal'

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 18/10/2016 18:13

pikachu just said on the news,police broke in to find the pair on a mattress watching tv......why did police arrive? who called them?

PikachuSayBoo · 18/10/2016 18:14

BBC said that the judge may well lift restrictions when they're sentenced next month.

Something Ive always wondered in general......say they get a ten year sentence. Do they serve it all in some sort of young offender place or are they moved to a normal prison in their 21st birthday?

ayeokthen · 18/10/2016 18:15

Anyone talking about rehabilitation, have you ever lost a loved one to murder? Because I have, and let me tell you rehabilitation is the absolute last thing on my mind. I want that bastard to spend the rest of his days paying for the beautiful life he took. Not have a chance at a new life!

Soubriquet · 18/10/2016 18:19

That's where it gets cloudy aye

As a society we want to say "well they were young. Let them rehabilitate and get on with their lives"

As a family member you want as much justice as you can. Completely understandable

Flowers for you

orangeterry · 18/10/2016 18:20

Why did they do it ?

ZuleikaDobson · 18/10/2016 18:20

Given that they are children, and given the lynch-mob mentality we have seen with Thompson and Venables, I have no problem with these two retaining anonymity.

Alfieisnoisy · 18/10/2016 18:21

In this particular case the family of the victims may have requested the perpetrators remain anonymous. Think about that and the possible reasons for it....

On the other hand the judge may lift that at sentencing if the family of the victims agree.

In many cases anonymity is not required or desirable.

Soubriquet · 18/10/2016 18:23

That's funny Alfie as it was family who named them first

PikachuSayBoo · 18/10/2016 18:24

Neighbours called the police. Not sure if they called because they hadn't seen the mum and daughter that day or if it was because of a broken window. But afaik they didn't gain entry through that broken window.

PaulAnkaTheDog · 18/10/2016 18:27

I'll never understand how people work out who the perpetrators are in circumstances like this.

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 18/10/2016 18:28

boy got in through bathroom window which makes no sense to me as i ponder this

ZuleikaDobson · 18/10/2016 18:28

I said I don't think they should be anonymous and allowed to live a perfectly free anonymous life in a few years when they are let out.

It won't be a "perfectly free" life. They will get life sentences, which means that once they are out of prison they are on licence forever: if they put a foot wrong they can have the licence revoked and be called back to prison immediately. They won't be let out unless and until they are judged, after extremely careful assessment, to be safe.

So what purpose would be served by knowing their names? As pointed out upthread, for sure they would be the target of vigilantes and we would have to spend a fortune protecting them; they would have to be given new identities anyway.

I just happen to think that their crime was so heinous that they should have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.

They will. That's what a life sentence means.

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ayeokthen · 18/10/2016 18:31

Thank you Soubriquet, I was a bit worried people would think I was evil for feeling that way. All I know is my own personal experience, and I very much don't want the perpetrator in that case to live any kind of normal life.

ZuleikaDobson · 18/10/2016 18:32

as a matter of public safety, anybody who forms relationships with them in future years, if they are rehabilitated and can be released, has a right to understand the whole situation

If or when they are let out on licence, they will be monitored by the probation service. If they form any relationships the situation will be assessed by the probation officer. There is no need for the world to know their names for that purpose.

Do you think it is right that they get the chance to lead a normal life?

If they are fully rehabilitated, yes - and I think everyone recognises that that is a big if. Look at the case of Mary Bell. She has been allowed to live a relatively normal life and has never reoffended. What purpose would have been served by leaving her the target of vigilantes for the rest of her life?

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 18/10/2016 18:32

i remember reading about the teenage mind and its development....quite scary really.

Soubriquet · 18/10/2016 18:33

I think most people would feel the same way aye whether they admit that or not

ayeokthen · 18/10/2016 18:34

It's nice to hear someone else say it Soubriquet Flowers