AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

[Ohbehave1]

After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

For those asking why I want to know their names - did I say I wanted to know? No. I said I don't think they should be anonymous and allowed to live a perfectly free anonymous life in a few years when they are let out.

I understand the safety of the family. It's a shame we have the daily mail mob mentality but I don't see why they should be allowed to continue their life in a few years as if nothing happened.

I think generally aren't such young murderers named? Such as the boys who killed James Bulger.

But then this case has a specific reason not to name the killers which isn't valid in other cases.

But I do think it's right that James Bulger's killers were allowed an identity change on release. It was an awful thing that they did but I don't think anyone should have their whole life determined by something they did at 10yo? Otherwise there's no chance of rehabilitation, no chance of becoming an ok person, no chance of a job, etc.

why u2....i was shocked tbh....didnt see that one coming

Drudgejedd. Firstly I have no idea who they are and live nowhere near Spalding. Secondly, I have not name changed. Where did that come from?

It's a shame we have the daily mail mob mentality

Are you kidding? You?? The person who posted this thread Is shaming the daily mail mob mentality?? That takes the fucking biscuit.

It takes thirty seconds or less to find out who they are and the identity is significant in the context of the crime. Removing the anonymity might at least stop some of the knee jerk reaction which has been on this thread as well as elsewhere. I suspect the judge will lift it as part of sentencing.

Now I really want to know too (not their names but the reason/context)

why u2....i was shocked tbh....didnt see that one coming

Well, I have heard or read nothing about who could have done it that made it obvious to me.

there are good reasons for not naming them - especially the young woman involved - it's not just about protecting them

Without Google how can you work out who they are if you aren't local?!

I couldn't even work it out on google.

I shouldn't even be trying I know.

The judge will no doubt lift the anonymity during sentancing.

I confirmed it through FB in about three clicks.

OP - Because threads like this encourage people to go out and Google who the perpetrators are.

There are good reasons for anonymity in this case.

We are talking about 2 profoundly disturbed children here. What purpose does naming them serve? How does that impact the relatives of both the victim and the perpetrators.

Your argument about "adult" crimes is is flawed as PP's have already articulated.

Your post is imho inflammatory and I don't give a shiny shit if you think I'm clutching my pearls. Meh

it takes 2 seconds to find them

Who they are is fairly obvious, hence I don't know if there is much point in naming them. What purpose would it serve? It's a horrible crime and there is something so calculated about it that makes me wonder whether either of them can be rehabilitated.

As to motive, they are teens in a relationship, I can only guess they fancied themselves as starcrossed lovers, felt the world was against them etc.

I don't think there are good reasons for anonymity.

Ok Eatshits

If I had not referred to this particular case would you have been so disturbed by it all?

I just happen to think that their crime was so heinous that they should have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.

It's strange. There is a thread saying that people like Cliff Richards shouldn't be campaigning for anonymity for alleged sex offenders yet people are up in arms when you suggest that murders should be named.

I have no idea what crime you are referring to, but I think it would be more than ordinarily difficult for the perpetrators to be rehabilitated because of it being a high profile crime with unusual details that make people more than ordinarily interested in it.

Google tells me there are over 500 murders committed annually in the UK, but those murderers will sink into relative obscurity. I have never heard anything like the outrage that followed the juvenile killers of poor James Bulger levelled at adult criminals.

I think the nature of the crime has implications for the rest of their lives and as a matter of public safety, anybody who forms relationships with them in future years, if they are rehabilitated and can be released, has a right to understand the whole situation.

Ah I've got it

Anonymity is important for the families and the families of the victim. Plus, these are -children who committed these crimes. Obviously very disturbed and damaged children but children in the eyes of the law nonetheless. It is right they are anonymous. Why do you need to know their names? So that in however many tens of years when they are released, you can continue to know who they are? Who would that help?

Also "adult enough to commit murder" !?! It's not rite of passage fgs.

Plimsoles. I used the term adult as it is not something you would normally link children to. Shoplifting. Yes. Vandalism. Yes. Murder. No.

Had no desire to know names until I saw this. Very sad after a Google.

think of the extended family in all this!