AIBU to think that if you commit an adult crime you shouldn't receive anonymity

[Ohbehave1]

After hearing that both of the children involved in the murder of a mother and daughter have been found guilty I think that they if they were adult enough murder someone, and then go and watch films and have sex after that they should be old enough to be named after.

Their crimes were particularly nasty, and as such they should live with the consequences for the rest of their lives. They certainly shouldn't be able to do a few years and then get out with anonymity and start their lives as if nothing ever happened.

OK i go back to posting about the 11+....

Just realised my last post looked like it was all aimed at you EatsShitAndLeaves. I'm sorry, the thank you was for you, the rant was for other posters.

I live fairly nearby; everyone here knows who it is. Awful situation for all involved.

Same here winterisherejon

My mum and nan live just around the corner

It's so upsetting and they appear so de sensitised. It's almost unbelievable knowing so many teens as I do and without exception they are all nice kids.

Not sure about blaming the family as in the case of the 15 year old who stabbed his teacher to death in s planned attack in the classroom 2 years ago police actually went out of their way to say the parents had been good parents and he was from a stable family.

'Maybe some people are just plain evil.

PikachuSayBoo

Until 17y it will be a children's based institution.
At 17y they can go in a Young Offender's prison - these are either separate institutions or may be linked to adult prisons (such as the one in Doncaster - Moorlands)
At 21y (and 10 months of similar) they go to an adult prison

Having said that, I don't think they should be named. Once they have been sentenced and the "gossip" dies down it hopefully starts to slip from memory. Naming them at this point achieves nothing.

I can see both sides. I think we should respect the ruling of the courts and also the wishes of the family if it is the case that they don't want the killers identified.

But I can understand people's curiosity and concern. This is such a horrifying crime that people are bound to wonder why. Also when they do get out, I wouldn't want them to move in next door to me and would want to know if they did, that's only natural. They are clearly dangerous and I think most people want information to be able to understand and avoid them, nothing to do with 'murder porn'.

I can see both sides. I think we should respect the ruling of the courts and also the wishes of the family if it is the case that they don't want the killers identified..

The family named the killer initially and that can never be undone.

As for the people who did it. As bad as this may sound - I don't want them to ever be really aware of what they did, or to have nightmares the rest of their lives. They're children. Something went terribly wrong.

No worries Aye - I got it.

Kate Summerscale's book The Wicked Boy details the case of a child murderer, the trial (in 1895), and the boy's later life.

It makes a compelling case for anonymity, I think. Worth a read.

If they are named there would still be nothing to stop them changing their names by deed poll once released. If they become notorious I expect the authorities would help them with new identities.

How do you know that your current neighbours weren't once criminals?

You can find out their names in less than 30 seconds....

Does anyone know why they did it? I've not seen anywhere the reason behind it. Or maybe there wasn't a reason of course.

The way Thompson and Venables were treated - the public baying for blood of two grotesquely damaged 10 year old children - is an eternal shame on this country. I remember it clearly and it was vile. Regardless of the suffering of James Bulger, which I do not deny, avoid, minimise or excuse.

Anything which avoids repeating that sort of thing is good, in my opinion.

Although tbh at the moment, it might be too much to hope for. What with the racist frothers about taking a pitiful number of refugees into this country, the Brexit Little Englander bigots (and outright racists if the surge in hate crimes post referendum is anything to go by), the misogynist rape apologists of both sexes, I am starting to conclude that frankly, as a nation, we are a bunch of selfish, Neanderthal cunts. Possibly off topic.

It is known why but again can't be talked about with breaching anonyminity

Oh ok, fair enough Soubriquet, that makes sense.

Damselindistress You don't know if someone moves in next door who has committed murder or rape in adult life, do you? Once they are off-licence (which for a rapist means at the end of the half of his sentence which serves on licence) it is not even the business of probation. So why are you so worried at the faint possibility of the young adults these two will be when they are released moving in next door?

I don't agree with anonymity always.

I disagree with views such as flying elbows that children who do this are damaged.
I have read a bit about this and of course some children are damaged- abused, families who don't have the normal standards as many of us, not the same moral compass inside, the parents and uncles etc.
But also, done children even from very 'naice' ham families do really bad things.

Some people are not that nice. Even children on that ' life of 4 year olds' programme, some are much more endearing than others.

Given how severe the crimes were, protecting the public by releasing the names of the murderers should be given the priority. The risk to the public is high, and the system monitoring murderers' behaviour after they're released is not perfect. The public deserves to know. Everyone deserves to know. I read this whole thread, and all the other MN threads, and googled up who the murderers are, and it is horrific. It's not something that anyone can fix. All we can do is protect other people.

Why is murder and adult crime? Why do we need to know who they are what purpose would it serve ? An internet search will tell you all you want to know and why they have anonymity though

Protect from what whay do we need protection from how to spot 14 yr old killers clues that the teen you know might kill you.

Eatshits. Perhaps I was wrong in specifying a particular case (although it was this case that made me think about it). My intention was not to create a lunch mob for the pair - more to look at if it is thought right that they remain anonymous.

But it doesn't change my view that they should not have anonymity. And for everyone saying they will never live a normal life all I can say is that they will live a far more normal life than their victims who don't have that choice. If they get a change in identity as the killers of Jamie Bulgar did they will
be allowed to live a free life.

Still can't understand any motive

The boy did the act. I don't get it at all

I suppose all could be revealed one day. Their fb pages are still open to view. Makes it more confusing when reading the posts/comments etc

Cartwheel, how does releasing their names protect the public in any way? They'll be locked up for years. When they come out, if their names were known all they would have to do would be to change them - and in fact the Home Office would have to help them do so and provide them with an entire new identity to keep the lynch mobs away.