To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

Nearly two-thirds of "child" refugees who officials questioned about their real age were found to be adults, Home Office documents show.

Figures show that in the year to September 2015, 65 per cent of the child refugees who had their age disputed were found to be over 18. Home Office figures.

I don't know why this ridiculous deception is enabled. Does the government seriously think we are so gullible? What's the end game?

YANBU In fact I would say only one of them looks under 18. Why does the article state "children" when they are not children? Where are the real children and young women? Oh of course - they are the vulnerable who have been abandoned by their menfolk. They are the ones who are being blown apart whilst the adult aged "teenage" members of their families are trying to enter the UK via the back door.

I just read somewhere that one of them is a vulnerable adult. Might explain the guy in blue.

Scatter, the man in blue has been found to be 38!!

I just read somewhere that one of them is a vulnerable adult. Might explain the guy in blue

Still an adult though.

The person in blue is said to be 38. And the home office said he is under 18.

One of the charities who sign off on them being children says they demand to see documents, documents with the names ages and addresses of their family in the UK and family photos.

So all those who've done a stint in calais, screaming at us that these kids have nothing and had to flee war were exaggerating? to be polite

Are we still racist though?

Even though we were right about one of them ?

Are we still racist though?
Yip were all still extreme racist bigots

Even though we were right about one of them ?

But we aren't right. These are children and as said up thread the bleeding hearts (who refuse to house feed and clothe refugees themselves) have said age is but a number and it's understandable they lied, if they did lie 😮🤐

Well we have blown his cover now we clearly want him sent back and killed so best stick to the smoking enough cigarettes to age him. Twenty years, trusting in these clearly extensive checks that are being done and grab him a sixth form enrollment pack.

I do hope he receives the help he needs. But as an adult.

I've been in Afghanistan, whilst therethere my traveling companion and I got chatting to a couple local guys from sight is assumed that they would be between 40&50. They were 25.

It's a combination of sun exposure and damn hard lives that's done it, so whilst some of those refugees may not look like children, they're quite likely not as old as they look.

Besides, is the mail, never known to ignore a bit of hate stiring when the opportunity presents itself.

Gileswithachainsaw

I do wonder though if these charities get paid for every child they bring to the UK. It could explain the complete disregard for the obvious.

Whoever signs off on adults being children should be found, and charged with fraud, then made pay the upkeep of any adults they let into the country illegally.

Something is going on for sure.

It's either what you say

Or

What a previous poster said about using the older ones to turn people off the idea altogether

And then relying on people being too afraid to speak up fir fear of being branded a racist.

I don't give a shit where anyone is from.

I don't begrudge anyone help and support and a roof over their heads.

I do have a problem with then being passed off as kids though. Why lie. Just help them . In the age appropriate manor.

And if They can't even check the age to within the correct decade. I dread to think how accurate their family checks are...

These poor sods could be ended up anywhere...let's face it after many many years the recognition of the family could prove difficult.

I'd not have recognised my own brother I don't think of I'd left him.at 14 and come back now...he's changed that much

How was he found to be 38?

Giles I did read somewhere that many claimed to have relatives in the uk, arrived in the UK and were put right into the hands of traffickers who claimed they were the children's relatives.

Plus. If they have relatives here,who have been given a leave to stay, could they not go through the official channels available to reunite the amply? Why put your own child through the experience of arriving via sea land and all the dangers associated with this Journey?

To all those talking about girls. There are barely any girls. The vast vast majority of refugees and especially those in the camp are boys and men.

A 16 or 17 years old is still a child no matter if in other contexts we would refer to them as young men. Do you think their credentials haven't been checked???

For the love of god whoever they are and even if they're 25 don't they deserve some pity and protection?

zaalitje give it up, love. These people are clearly adults. We know the difference between children and adults.
And it's not just the Mail, these pictures have been posted/printed on other sites/papers. Eg the guardian.
Really, this thread reminds me of the transgender threads where we are supposed to pretend that people who are obviously male are women. Just as obvious attempts at gaslighting.

Nucky - Do you think their credentials haven't been checked?

That's exactly what I think.

I agree they may need protection but it's hard to gauge what that protection might be when they are presenting as children and clearly are not.

Pity, no. Pity produces nothing constructive.

And who has said they don't deserve compassion or help?

Haven't you read a thing anyone's said?

It's just the help and support should not have to mean being placed in schools amongst kids who are 10 years younger.

I'm sure if I enrolled my brother in a kids swim class people would have a few things to say.

Unchecked adults do not belong in school settings.

There are adult education classes they could take

They deserve protection and help.

That can't mean that they all get to come here for housing and clothing and feeding. We can't take the whole world. All we can do is to try and give help in the most effective way.

Plus taking everyone would only encourage many others to make the same horrific journey. I remember reading an interview with an afghan man who had left his wife and numerous children and was desperate to open a restaurant here. Because his children (whom he had left behind!) could get a good education in the uk and go to university here.

Right, so if you were in that much danger, how could you leave your family? What was happening to them? And if you were actually looking to improve your life, rather than fleeing to save it, how is your restaurant going to pay for even a fraction of all that healthcare, education, housing etc - why does he think we want to do that?!

The traffickers who are peddling the uk and Northern Europe as a land of solid platinum milk and golden honey to get vulnerable people to make a journey like that are unspeakably wicked. And now there are horrible stories of blood/organ/sex trafficking - how can humans do that to each other?

For the love of god whoever they are and even if they're 25 don't they deserve some pity and protection?

Not at the expense of young children who could have taken their place.

It's a combination of sun exposure and damn hard lives that's done it, so whilst some of those refugees may not look like children, they're quite likely not as old as they look

Ok. So without going into why I'm pretty sure of how old some of these men were I'll say ok, they weren't about 25 - they were probably about 24 at least.

The vast vast majority of refugees and especially those in the camp are boys and men.

That is not true at all.

Unless you define refugee incorrectly as migrant attempting to travel into the EU.

The middle east and Africa are full of refugees who are women and girls, living in massive, pretty much permanent refugee settlements.

People who think we should show our "compassion and pity" by breaking asylum rules and principles to let in the nearest and most visible manifestation of a global problem really show the limits of pity and compassion.

So there are actually several levels of checks that go on here. These children were allowed to come over because they have family in the UK that could prove that they were children with documentation. Do you really think it was the 'honour' system where they just trusted people were telling the truth?

Where did everyone's compassion go? If you sent your 16 year old to live outside for years with no support in a country they didn't understand the language, you'd be surprised at how much that ages them.

Also, stop using the Daily Mail as a source if you actually want people to think you have an intelligent argument.

"Why put your own child through the experience of arriving via sea land and all the dangers associated with this Journey?"

You're not getting this are you? These are refugees on the run from war. People sent their children on that perilous journey because it was safer than what they were leaving behind.

They sent the older boys as they thought they had the best chance of survival. Where there are young children unaccompanied it''s more likely because their parents / carers drowned / died on the way or got separated.

Can you just for a minute try to imagine what these kids have been through? Some will have seen family members killed before them. Many will have seen their homes ripped to shreds. All of them will have lost family and friends to war and not know whether others are alive or dead.

I have not looked at the photos

But from what i have heard on here posters do realise that you cant have the argument both ways

I agree a hard, outdoors life where people get very old looking very quickly could mean that someone is prematurely aged

But that would just be their face, their body would be stunted. Shorter then average and slimmer , wiry rather than well built

So i think that you cant have a well built 6 ft tall 16 year old with a 30 year old face

Their trials and tribulations would have affected their whole body