To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

Lordy, there sure are some compassionless and suspicious folk posting on this thread. Actually makes me feel a bit sick.

Thanks to those who are trying to educate the DM readers - I wish I had your patience.

angryangryyoungwoman

That was a personal affermation, but if you want sources to prove that they refuse to be identified here is a video from one of the many centres in Italy

And the destroying of documents is well documentated in all languages.

But Crash your comments are irrelevant and scare mungering.

There won't be any "men" in foster and care homes "in the next room to vunerable girls" in the Uk.

Please can those in favour of opening up our country and services to all men from other countries explain how these services are going to be paid for? Where is the capacity going to come from? And the infrastructure? And the housing? And the healthcare?

BakeOff I'm afraid that actually has already happened.

Bakeoff There already are! You can close to your eyes to it and pretend it doesn't happen but it does. It is a big concern, maybe not to you.

Rose from what I understand France isn't offering any help to the child asylum seekers. Some say they have applied for asylum in France but nothing has happened.
And Crash yes I do agree that the system of age tests isn't foolproof and some older people must slip through. It must be quite difficult to assess accurately in some cases if someone is 17, 18 or even 19.
What is the answer though; should we refuse to admit anyone who isn't obviously a child ?

xfactor same place it would come from if it was for cute little babies and women?

What is the answer though; should we refuse to admit anyone who isn't obviously a child ?

if they are applying to enter the UK saying they are a child then, yes they should be refused.

The answer is that if the outcome of our asylum rules is that we are ending up taking many young, fit males, we take those males. We then redress that by prioritising women and other vulnerable groups in Turkey as the additional refugees we choose to take.

We do not do what Germany and Sweden have done and take huge numbers of young males, and then disguise our misogyny and desire for 'hard workers' by making out that people who object to this save the males campaign are a bunch of racists.

OK then Mum, can you tell me where that place is please?

No I'm not aware of it happening in the uk.

Do you have links to articles I can read?

Amalfimamma even though that probably means rejecting children of 14, 15 and 16 ?
I really don't believe from what I have heard that many do get through the age checks.
Nor am I suggesting we open our borders to everyone who may think they could have a better life here. That is why checks are in place to identify genuine asylum seekers.
Of course that doesn't address the problem of illegal immigrants who have no genuine reason to be here. A problem which I believe will get worse when Britain leaves the EU and the British border is no longer in Calais.
But we participate in wars in other countries thus destroying their infrastructure and making people homeless.
Our colonisation of Africa has long reaching effects which still causes wars and displaced people there.
Surely we have to take some responsibility for this ?

"Please can those in favour of opening up our country and services to all men from other countries explain how these services are going to be paid for?"

Who the heck has said they want to open the country to "all men from other countries"?

smiling The guidance is very clear that if an individual is found to be an adult, they must be supported to access help and advice. They won't just be shown the door. They are still humans and it goes against everything in a social worker's code of ethics to do that. Many adults presenting as children have issues and need lots of support; just not from children's services. Sadly, some young adults end up being sectioned under the mental health act because they are very traumatised and damaged. All the social workers I've known will err on the side of caution, hence why we get individuals who are adults but are eligible for children's services. It's a really, really contentious and difficult issue. It's shit actually. Many of the man are young. They're not children but they're hardly fully fledged adults with a sense of how to navigate a confusing world around them. There are no easy answers. We do need to do more in this country for people like this.

I don't have any articles to hand (and if I turn on my work computer, I'll get bogged down my emails) by the Age Assessment Guidance for social workers has a note at the bottom about it. It's somewhere near the start, so you don't need to trawl through the entire document. adcs.org.uk/assets/documentation/Age_Assessment_Guidance_2015_Final.pdf

Christ sake, how many racist threads do we need on this exact subject?

Personally I think it is very suspect that they picked only boys, only teenagers, and only mature-looking boys. Why were no girls or younger unaccompanied minors chosen? Because the authorities don't want to accept refugees so they're cherry picking individuals who exactly fit the Daily Mail brigade's stereotype of a scary migrant-who's-probably-a-terrorist, then splash their photos everywhere, to turn public opinion against accepting child refugees. They know full well what the public's reaction would be if they saw a small orphan girl being brought to the UK, and that's exactly the reaction they want to avoid. So they manipulate the media to con people into thinking those 14 people represent all the "unaccompanied minors." They don't.

Remember, they only let 15 children, out of at least ONE THOUSAND unaccompanied minors, a minority of whom are evidently prepubescent. A survey conducted last week found there were between 1000-1200 unaccompanied minors. The Home Office have a list of 387 children who should legally be given refuge in the UK under the Dublin regulation. The youngest unaccompanied minor on record is 8. (And don't try to tell me a grown man has somehow conned authorities into thinking he's 8.) Many of them are girls.

Where are these girls? Where are these prepubescent minors? Why are they not being brought to the UK? Why are we not seeing them? Why is the media pretending they don't exist? Doesn't that censorship bother you?

No-one has yet commented on precocious puberty have they?

I don't know about refugees but I do know its about 10-20 times more common in children adopted from overseas and I would guess that the early life trauma (which is one of the theories of the high incidence) is very similar.

Why are people going on about receding hairlines?

I've looked through the photos several times and the photos of a man with the receding hairline (same man in several photos) is the older brother of one of the boys.

Am I missing a photo somewhere?

One of the photos looks like an older male but all the others look like they're under 20 to me (and yes easily 17) - one of them looks exhausted and skinny and drawn but I suspect anyone might look like that.

Many of those photos are repeated ones of the same person - they only show 9 young men by my count. None appear to have a receding hairline and most to my eye look 16/17. And most of them are not "asian" by most peoples standards they are african or arabic.

A Home Office spokesman said 'essential checks' have been carried out on these young people, including security checks, verifying their ages and confirming their identities and eligibility to come to the UK.

Trying to get into the UK even for people with family here has been harder than pulling teeth - I would be amazed if the Home Office have suddenly had a brainstorm and decided to admit the 14 teenagers who look 20 years (by some of your peculiar standards!?) older without doing a fairly rigorous test. It's not like they aren't aware that the Daily Mail will be all over them like a rash.

Where are all the teenage girls - probably not sent across Europe by themselves!?!

My son is 12 and still looks like a child, however several boys in his class hit puberty two or more years ago and absolutely tower over him, 6 feet tall already, with beards, low voices, the lot. At 12 or even younger. The children pictured could easily be 14/15.

Personally I think it's disgraceful that the UK has only taken 14 refugee children, after all this time. 10,000 unaccompanied children have gone missing across Europe in the past two years, many of them probably trafficked for prostitution or body parts.

But YAY! for us - we've welcomed a whole FOURTEEN children into our exclusive country. Let's all pat ourselves on the back.

^"Please can those in favour of opening up our country and services to all men from other countries explain how these services are going to be paid for?"

Who the heck has said they want to open the country to "all men from other countries"? ^

The sentiment is implied by people constantly dodging the question of how we should decide who should be allowed into the UK, and by them demanding to know why people think they have a right to decide who should be in the UK.

We haven't only taken 14 refugee children.

There are already Syrian refugees in the UK, including children.

The trouble with this thread is that we know, based on evidence, that appearance is not an accurate factor for predicting age. It did raise some interesting issues but in general, no, you really cannot tell by just looking at someone. You might think you can but research has found that this is an inaccurate to assess someone's age.

There are already Syrian refugees in the UK, including children.

Yes, but woefully few compared with other countries across Europe. Shameful.

Indeed, we should be taking many more Syrian refugees.

How does you making untrue statements help?

smilingmind

Did you read what I Wrote? Adults claiming to be children to enter the UK should be blocked. AFAIK 14 year olds are not adults.