To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

[AmyMiller]

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This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

misogynistic cultures. Because the UK is bang on the money with preventing predatory white males from targeting women, isn't it? Did you read the thread about sexual assault?

Yes I did ItShould and I gave my own story of my abuse from a (white European) male so please don't patronise me as if I don't fucking know white men are predatory too. My point is let's not exacerbate this problem. White men in the U.K. raping and assaulting at astronomical rates doesn't negate the fact that other misogynistic cultures exist in the world, and it that misogyny doesn't disappear at the Border

Isn't this the attitude that this country, and many other so called developed countries, took to taking in Jewish children during WWII ?
Many of these rejected children ended up dead in concentration camps.
Now people in this country want to consign children to a similar fate.
I do know what I am talking about. I lived and worked for many years in some of the countries these children come from. I also adopted two orphan children who would have had no chance of survival otherwise.
If I was younger I would still be helping these people but my age and poor health, exacerbated by living in those conditions, prohibit it.
I'm not rich; I do not spend my life worrying about designer kitchens as I feel life should mean more than that.
Nor do I have any regrets. I would do it all over again if I could.

They've passed through many safe countries before arriving in the Uk
And the majority have sought asylum in those countries. We are talking about a tiny percentage seeking asylum in the UK

Angryyoungwoman, but none of that justifies prioritising the male people who are refugees over the female people who are refugees, which is what European refugee policy has led to.

You seem to using talking about women in Syria to avoid talking about women refugees.

ItShouldHaveBeenJessMass
I agree with everything in your last post

Iirc, Jewish children were not given the option to come and go freely from their camps, nor were they free to settle in any number of safe countries before they reached the UK.

I'm astounded at the references to sexual assault on here. Because no White British man has ever committed such a crime? Are you serious?!

Who said this?

These are people, like you and I, with hopes and dreams, families, children - we are the same and we want the same things. A better life. A happy life. A safe life. And yet some posters are referring to them as some sort of 'pests' that need to be controlled. Fucking disgusting, quite frankly.

Fucking disgusting to insinuate they couldn't be predatory because they have hopes and dreams (much like white males). Have you read the sexual assault thread? Do you think every victim on there was abused by British White men?

And the majority have sought asylum in those countries. We are talking about a tiny percentage seeking asylum in the UK

less than 10% of those who arrive in Italy claim aslyum.

About 30% of those who do claim are refugees. So 3% of those who arrive in and claim in italy are actually refugees.

And most of those who get off the boats have destroyed their papers, refuse to be identified and have the UK as their final destination because of the welfare system

I worked as a gender researcher in Afghanistan 20 years ago. The kids I met there in the mountain villages up there looked 5 - 10 years older than they were. Everyone I met was gobsmacked at how old I was (I was 22), they all thought I was a teen. They have really hard lives and most are naturally pale skinned but in the sun all day, most have far more defined cheekbones and older faces than you'd see in kids in the UK. The contrast shocked me then and they really had nothing to gain by lying about their ages. You'd be surprised how much older people who have really tough lives look.

No, sir, the U.K chose to ignore what was happening until many were already dead.

The number of people currently forcibly displaced globally is greater than the whole UK population.

Being in Calais does not make someone more vulnerable or deserving of being brought to the UK.

but none of that justifies prioritising the male people who are refugees over the female people who are refugees
I agree, there is no justification for prioritising anyone. Everyone should be treated with the same compassion and given the same help. Something which is lacking because of failing foreign policies and failing refugee policies.

*less than 10% of those who arrive in Italy claim aslyum.

About 30% of those who do claim are refugees. So 3% of those who arrive in and claim in italy are actually refugees.

And most of those who get off the boats have destroyed their papers, refuse to be identified and have the UK as their final destination because of the welfare system*

Can I see your sources please? Thanks

Of course there is a justification for prioritising more vulnerable people over less vulnerable people!

This is why the UN should have led on Syria, not countries like Germany making ridiculous decisions.

it could be argued that it doesn't matter whether you think these humans are older than you think they are

That's quite true, but it could equally be argued that if someone''s lied about their age, they might also be less than frank about where they're from, why they left, what happened to them en route, what their family links in the UK are and much else

I don't think anyone's argued against helping genuine refugees, though admittedly views differ about the best way to do this; what some of us would like to know is whether it's genuine folk we're helping

And all we've got so far is an assertion that the nature of "the checks" can't be divulged? Sorry - not good enough

I agree, there is no justification for prioritising anyone. Everyone should be treated with the same compassion and given the same help.

Really? Even criminals? Adults over young children? Some people will be a lot more vulnerable than others, surely these people should take priority?

I am aware of that Jess - but comparing young men in the Calais camp who are able to claim asylum in any number of safe countries before they reach the UK to Jewish children is pretty grim.

Iirc, Jewish children were not given the option to come and go freely from their camps, nor were they free to settle in any number of safe countries before they reached the UK.

Exactly.

The comparison is quite frankly, insulting.

SirChenjin the nature of these tests was told to me in confidence by someone who conducts them.
It would be totally wrong for me to betray their confidence just to reassure racist bigots.

How comes there are no girls in those photos?

racist bigots?

ODFO. It's not unreasonable to ask questions about policy here. You can't close down debate by hurling that insult at people.

angryangryyoungwoman

Of course you may.

this is in Italian and this is more general in English

Most ask for asylum in Germany or, if they arrive, England

Can someone please point out racist bigot comments made on this thread please? Struggling to find

What is being done about the children in Calais who are unaccompanied and do not have family in the UK?

if their were girls then would you question their age? want dna tests to prove family links first?