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To think only 3 of the 15 migrant children look under 18

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AmyMiller · 17/10/2016 19:15

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3843900/amp/First-migrant-children-arrive-UK-Calais-French-prepare-raze-Jungle-camp-ground.html?client=safari

This is so ridiculous, many of them look around 25.

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Jinglebellsandv0dka · 17/10/2016 21:39

Actually angry coming under guise of being a child brings many benifits.

Like anonminity in legal matters - like the gang rape of that young girl up thread. So people can't find out who they even are. Even one of the judges have out him in to an adult prison as he doesn't believe he is a 'child' but he is still afforded anonminity that comes with being a minor.

They will be out in to better facility's that are made for children

Yes all humans need a safe space but don't pretend your a fucking child - taking up a real Childs place and potentially putting other children in harms way to do so

SirChenjin · 17/10/2016 21:40

If you've done your stint in Calais VJM then presumably you'll know what medical and dental checks are done? And what checks are done to ensure that they are closely related to the people they ate joining in the UK?

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 17/10/2016 21:41

ItShould it's quite possible to feel compassion (and I don't blame anyone for 'sneaking' in at all) whilst also expressing concern about the way they have been admitted

This ^^

thanksamillion · 17/10/2016 21:42

Personally I'm more bothered by the fact that we've only managed to bring over 14 children (whether you believe they're children or not). How is that not outrageous?

Yes, some people try and play the system (wouldn't you?) but poverty and working like men often makes younger boys look like men at a younger age. I lived in a country where boys start working in the fields at 12 or 13 and by the age of 15 they could easily have passed for 20 somethings. And by the time they were 40 you would have put them at 65+.

VJM123 · 17/10/2016 21:42

Clam - the point is that we are lucky to be living here. Who are you to decide this land belongs to you? Why are you (and I) more deserving ... we are hardly suffering in this country. The masses and masses of wealth and space taken up by the small minority is criminal. There is space there is money .. the issue is the massive injustice of distribution of that wealth and space

Musicinthe00ssucks · 17/10/2016 21:42

VJM whilst I applaud your stint in Calais, it doesn't exactly answer the question of how many of these 'children' YOU would be willing to foster in your own home, clothe, feed and nurture.

brummiesue · 17/10/2016 21:42

Bitofacow - it isnt just 'a fucking picture on the telly' though is it? Its multiple pictures of many 'boys' on the tv and different newspapers. Please dont assume everyone on here who disagrees with you knows nothing about the subject, its a tad patronising

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 17/10/2016 21:42

I question where all these properties are and cash is flowing

I work in DV we have hundreds of families waiting to be housed and some are from refugee families

There isn't an endless properties available or foster carers and in most LA services are on their knees (though huge amounts are wasted but that's a different thread)

Pluto30 · 17/10/2016 21:43

Only one of them looks under 18 to me.

I don't have much sympathy for the people in Calais. They could've sought asylum in France at any time, but wanted to go to the UK because the benefits they'll receive are better. Beggars can't be choosers.

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 17/10/2016 21:43

yoyo are you are purposely turning a blind eye to what has already been reported in the news.

angryangryyoungwoman · 17/10/2016 21:43

There are millions of people in the world just wanting to live in their own countries, but without the risk of being killed. Why do so many people think that the UK is the ultimate destination for people? It's just safe. That's all. If my country wasn't safe, I'd want to get out too. It's about survival, not a rejection of your country and home.

Werkzallhourz · 17/10/2016 21:44

Middle eastern kids do often look more mature than their European counterparts- believe me I know- parents working for UN in Lebanon.

I hear this a lot from British commentators, but in my experience, they don't. Middle Eastern and Central Asian teens tend to look a lot younger than western teens, particularly if they have lived through conflict.

In conflict zones, the food supply collapses. So you have a food shortage, particularly of protein, during key growth periods in a child's life. As a rule, these children then tend to be noticeably shorter and weaker than other children, the girls often have a delayed puberty, and they never quite catch up.

I spent the noughties teaching in the Middle East (I also taught Palestinian refugee children during an outbreak of conflict in Lebanon) and found the teens to be noticeably mentally and physically younger than European teens by quite a long way. 15 year old boys would look more like European 9/10 year olds, for example. Quite a lot of the girls would be under 5 foot at 13/14.

Again, the culture around childhood is very different to Europe and the West, and I would say that children tend to be kept younger for longer. My Lebanese pupils at 17/18 looked like 15/16 year olds with a bit of puppy fat.

My suspicions about this particular story are very similar to my suspicions about the handling of issues of asylum and migration for the last twenty years. The way these things have been handled seems designed to destroy the public's support for any kind of coherent and constructive asylum policy.

And one might ask why that is.

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 17/10/2016 21:44

So basically no one knows what the checks are?

ItShouldHaveBeenJessMass · 17/10/2016 21:44

VJ. It's the divide and rule mentality. Blame asylum seekers, blame single parents, blame those on benefits - and then wave your little flags at the Queen and talk about what a wonderful job she does, as well as ignoring the hundreds of thousands of pounds being taken from tax payers to fund champagne and caviar lunches/duck houses/porn for our MPs.

notaflyingmonkey · 17/10/2016 21:45

Another vile anti immigrant thread on MN.

SirChenjin · 17/10/2016 21:46

I'm waiting for someone who has done a stint in Calais to enlighten us Jingle

ItShouldHaveBeenJessMass · 17/10/2016 21:46

angry. Agree. We'd all do itif necessary. We're fortunate to live in a country that is safe.

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 17/10/2016 21:46

In Sweden the law is any unaccompanied under 18 year old will not be deported, I wonder if it's the same here?

almondpudding · 17/10/2016 21:47

VJM, who do you think decides who land belongs to?

daisypond · 17/10/2016 21:47

Teenage girls don't tend to come to the camp - their families aren't going to let them, because it's a very dangerous trip. Those that come with their families are in refugee camps in countries much further east. Boys will risk it.

Amalfimamma · 17/10/2016 21:47

VJM123

You did a stint in Calais. Oh WOW! That makes you such an expert on all that is to do with migration, immigration, illegal immigrants and refugees.

Now. There is a boat arriving tomorrow (one of many that arrive daily here in Italy) I shall be at the harbour at 6am to assist and translate.

How many are you willing to take? Where's all that compassion you attack others for lacking?

MumOnTheRunCatchingUp · 17/10/2016 21:47

pluto yes. they want to be with family already IN the uk!!! hence being at Calais.....

angryangryyoungwoman · 17/10/2016 21:48

almondpudding
There are also many women and children and men and boys trapped in Syria and other countries. Not everyone is a refugee... That is what I meant..

PinkyOfPie · 17/10/2016 21:48

clam I agree the idea of taking all migrants in is lovely in theory until an extra 5 million people affects every part of our lives in being able to access services, school places, housing etc. I'm not in the "block up the channel tunnel' right wing racist crew but I think people need to accept there are limited places and we have to work with that.

For those saying "I don't care if they are lying they are human beings" etc it's just so short sighted when an adult male is taking the school place that an immigrant child could have and flourish.

'it's actually quite scary that these men will be around our vulnerable Young girls'
Why what do you think is going to happen? You are scaremongering.

It's not reaching for the stars to suggest men may be predatory, especially when it's those sometimes from (as someone pointed out earlier) misogynistic cultures. Claiming 'scaremongering' is just gas lighting TBH

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