to want to divorce the Scots

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Honestly, I have 3 BFs who are Scottish and I love the place but I am heartily sick of being threatened with another independence referendum - clearly this is just going to be repeated ad infinitum

It seems pretty clear that most Scots do not want to remain in the UK so I wish that they would just go rather than holding the sword of Damocles over the heads of everyone else in the UK. If there were a UK wide referendum on Scotland remaining in the UK, whilst ideally I'd love them to stay, I am afraid I would certainly vote for Spexit and let them get on with it rather than having to listen to the constant whinging ....

Most scots don't hate the English, we just want independence, like when your kids grown up and want to stand on their own two feet. It won't all be rainbows and roses but being ruled by a Tory government and now with Brexit, when pretty much the whole country votes against them is pretty damning.

Freeeedom, as Mel Gibson would say. We can be amicable in the split.

Zippey actually 'we' dont want independence. Some Scots want it and others dont.

Most scots don't hate the English, we just want independence

Actually evidence is most Scots don't want independence.

I'm a fervent/rabid nationalist, would love Scotland to be independent and will continue to vote for it until it happens *I'm hoping within my lifetime). I am a fully-paid up, longstanding member of the SNP. I do not, however, go around shouting about it to friends and colleagues, I understand it's a very personal issue and respect that not everyone agrees with me. I'm very surprised that OP has not just 1 but 3 shouty nationalist friends . Most people I know tend to avoid the issue for fear of causing offence. Online is a whole different ball game!

Aside from the question of Spain veto-ing though, why would the EU want Scotland when it's unlikely to be much of a net contributor? Not clear the economics would stack up and the EU doesn't need another basket case economy.

Isn't it the UK which is in danger of having the 'basket case economy'?

"The fact that David Cameron assured Nicola Sturgeon that the British people would vote the 'right' way in June was a key factor in determining the outcome of the Scottish referendum"

Do you have any evidence for this? DC was in no position to promise anything, especially since at the time of the indyref a Tory victory in the general election looked extremely unlikely.

Keeptrudging, it may have escaped your notice, but the UK is not attempting to join the EU.
Why the SNP think that ditching one union for a larger, more undemocratic version is a good idea is beyond me.

Yes keep, but RUK economy is still more diverse and better placed to weather the brexit downturn.

Where are the details of how the UK is going to weather Brexit? It hasn't even started yet and is already having a negative impact.

OP it's not a threat to you. I'm sure England would barely notice/care if Scotland left the UK. Especially as the economy is going to be going up shite creek post Brexit a little more or less chaos will be barely noticeable. Chill out, and leave the Scots to worry about Scottish matters.

Its even worse in scotland where youve got the remain voters and the leave voters moaning at each other and the snp constantly!

or to turn this about, why would anyone think an independent Scotland will fair better than RUK given that brexit is happening - there is no evidence for that and surely that's really the crux of it. The RUK economy will suffer, but Scotland hasn't so far been welcomed with open arms by the EU, so there's no case that it'll fair better on its own.

or even fare better, goodness me!

I'm a Scot, I have no interest in independence and I'm fed up being bloody shouted at and told how I feel/how my country feels/how I'm such a traitor for voting NO etc.

I feel sick at the thought of going through all that again. I don't know what the answer is but I'm not the only person whose mental health has been affected by this. Not by a long chalk.

You mean like when ahead of the IndyRef they said 'everyone' wanted to be independent? When in actuality it was more that there were just louder Yes voters than No voters.

As much as I dislike him, Alex Salmond was on Question Time the other night, he said then that it's doubtful if Nicola Sturgeon would actually call another Referendum as support for it in polls has gone below 50%.

The SNP won their seats based on promises they have yet to deliver, to cover it up we have the 'we'll have another referendum' spiel wheeled out whenever things don't go their way. Doesn't mean everyone wants it.

Well the OP was SO upset by her three friends shoving independence down her throat making her want to divorce Scotland, that she posted and buggered off, GF anyone??

well, you're providing no evidence for why you think Scotland would weather Brexit better than RUK - the key surely is that the option of Scotland outside of rUK in the EU or EFTA is not on the table, nor likely to be (imo). If the SNP had a deal with Europe or really thought they could get one, the second ref would already be on the table.

mother some - I would suggest a lot of- people aren't voting SNP because they want independence. It is because there isn't an alternative...
Lots of Scots won't vote Tory (although I think that is changing now)
Liberals shot themselves in the foot when in coalition
Labour - is a shambles.
Greens - flaky and not much chance of getting into power
And the SNP are clever - Labour was always in the majority of Scotland. The SNP very clearly aimed their policies at disillusioned Labour voters - became a 'socialist' party -looking after the poorer in society. If the Tories had been the majority their policies would be more right wing...
That is the reason I really detest the SNP - it is independence at all costs, headline policies that make them look socialist - when in fact things like free prescriptions just mean less money for the rest of the NHS and those who could afford to pay don't...not very socialist.
Also in order to get people to vote independence -to change the status quo -they have to make sure that people will vote for change. If people are too content they won't - so they have to make sure people's lives don't get better - and that's ok as long as they can just blame it on Westminster.

Again, NS can't make an official 'deal' re Scotland staying in EU because article 50 hasn't been invoked yet. Everyone's hands are tied until that happens. It's not that EU countries won't deal, it's that they can't just now. There will be behind-the-scenes/unofficial discussions, but nothing can happen properly until May starts the ball rolling.

it all falls apart on the same essential point though that Scotland can't cut deals independently until it's independent, and is it really going to help the poorest people in Scotland or RUK to have even more economic uncertainty heaped on us by Scotland going independent after Brexit? It's just going to multiply the job losses, re-locations etc. Which presumably is why the referendum hasn't been called. I fear the real outcome of independence will be Scottish people paying much higher taxes for fewer services and not a better deal for poor people.

Again, NS can't make an official 'deal' re Scotland staying in EU because article 50 hasn't been invoked yet. Everyone's hands are tied until that happens. It's not that EU countries won't deal, it's that they can't just now.

Again NS can't do any deal as they aren't independent.

You have no evidence that EU will deal, or that somehow Scotland is a special case that thinks they can bypass eligibility criteria that other countries have to sign up to.