to want to divorce the Scots

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Honestly, I have 3 BFs who are Scottish and I love the place but I am heartily sick of being threatened with another independence referendum - clearly this is just going to be repeated ad infinitum

It seems pretty clear that most Scots do not want to remain in the UK so I wish that they would just go rather than holding the sword of Damocles over the heads of everyone else in the UK. If there were a UK wide referendum on Scotland remaining in the UK, whilst ideally I'd love them to stay, I am afraid I would certainly vote for Spexit and let them get on with it rather than having to listen to the constant whinging ....

Maybe you just need new Scottish friends? Less 'shouty' more demure ones. They do sound hard work but we aren't all the same you know. I highly doubt the rest of the UK feel badly towards us if we do ever become independent. Maybe I'm naïve. I hope most people can separate the politics from the personal.

I was devastated by brexit vote, but I'd pick UK over EU if I had to.

It's true re new friends, actually. In rl, this topic rarely comes up. Online however....

No need to feel ashamed smart leather I was in Scotland in June ( heck I can practically stretch my arms out from my bedroom window and touch the Scott border) and believe me Scott people are first class.

Was in Wales in July ...must get to Ireland one day.

You want to divorce the Scots...... so that's a round about way of saying you support the 'AYE' campaign and the SNP?

Good for you OP, standing up for the rights of others.

Scottish...don't know what happened there.

Yes I rarely hear this discussion in rl. A few fb spats at the time was all really.

Rabbits it seems unlikely which a lot of pro-indy folk will be very disappointed about. Another referendum (as much as I personally would like one) would make us look a tad ridiculous if it weren't done with a promise of remaining in the EU.

That's good to hear, Dowser.

Just to say that I hope Scotland stays. I really do believe that we are better together.

Personally speaking as a Scot living in Scotland I think that since the general election and the referendum to leave the eu, I would do anything to be a separate nation and get away from the Tory government.

Bewty you are talking so much sense. Unfortunately it seems some folks logic has been clouded by what they read in the daily mail/watched on BBC...........

I live in Scotland (am English) and I do not get the impression that Scotland wants to leave the UK or in fact stay in the EU. Sturgeon is a deluded, shouty, power-mad woman who makes a lot of noise and is desperate to make her mark. Scotland voted to stay in the UK, and the majority could not even be bothered to vote at all regarding Brexit. As PPs have said, it's the small group of nationalist loudmouths that get all the attention, not the silent majority.

So you don't live in Scotland, your Scottish friends aren't pro-independence, but you feel constantly shouted at and got at about independence? By who?

Nicola probably the op can hear her in their house god that woman can shout

Aderyn
Scotland voted knowing that the EU referendum was coming.

What? The independence referendum was in 2014, the last general election was in 2015. If Labour or a labour coalition (or even a tory coalition, depending on the partner) had got in there'd have been no Brexit vote.

Scottish people had to make an educated guess at what was going to happen in the subsequent general election and possible Brexit referendum when they were casting their votes in 2014, and given most of the pollsters were predicting Bremain right up until 23 June, it's not hard to imagine that people making a decision 2 years earlier might have cast their vote betting on Bremain. It was a shitty way of deciding Scotland's future, asking the one question with the other one looming behind it. In September 2014 I felt exactly the same as I do now - my preferred option was Scotland to be in the UK if the UK was in the EU, but to be independent and go for EU membership if the UK was going to leave. I feel the same now. My calculated guess in 2014 would have been to vote remain (had I had a vote - I'm Scottish, but I live elsewhere in the EU) but it shouldn't have been necessary to guess. Democracy's not as simple as just having votes on things now and then. The timing of those questions, one before the other, and the uncertainty around the EU referendum, meant that it was impossible for Scottish people to express their will fully in the independence vote. That's not democracy.

Toomuch With you here, well said.

Weird that Salmond never got criticised half so much for being 'shouty', despite being an awful lot more, well, shouty....

Anyway, OP, the SNP have already said that they won't go for another referendum in the event of a soft Brexit, only if Westminster goes for the hard Brexit option. So hopefully that'll make you feel better?

That is a really horrible thread title op.

If I started a thread entitled 'aibu to divorce the English?' and then explained it was because they voted to leave when Scotland voted to stay and were therefore a bunch of big bullies who had upset me by going on, I'd get flamed.

The facts are that the SNP said they would have another referendum if there was a material change in circumstances, such as leaving the EU. It seems we may leave the EU, so possibly another referendum.

We haven't Brexited yet, nor has a date for another IndyRef been announced. If you don't like talk of it, turn off the TV, leave the website, do not engage with things that upset you. You are borrowing trouble and raising your blood pressure.

I do wish the Indyref had been a Yes though, we would know if we are staying in Europe and be able to have stability. This way, we face more uncertainty, although if there is really going to be a hard Brexit it would be madness not to leave the UK, it would be so disruptive and could cost up to £66 billion. It sounds as though it should be avoided at all costs.

I do not hate my neighbours! Rather the opposite that on an emotional level I am I supposed hurt that many of them appear to hate the rest of the UK ....! I don't want to run the risk of being dumped so am at the point where I would rather do the dumping

Sturgeon has to keep promising indyref to keep the fringe nutters on side. It's not going to happen anytime soon because they'd lose. I'd like them to get on with running the country.

Coffee, there are loads of threads like that already.

Glad 5.5 million of us can be lumped together as one.

And lmao at stability if we were becoming independent.

I don't like being held to ransom either by the SNP... BUT... I think they're well within their rights to have another referendum. Scotland voted to remain in the EU, so why should they be forced to leave the EU just because England and Wales want to?

Alex salmond was an arsehole. I met Nicola at a thing years ago and she was very pleasant and didnt shout in my face at all Im trying to keep the thread light as the op is a goady fecker