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To think the Ched Evans verdict shows why mob justice is wrong

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JonathanDunn · 14/10/2016 17:10

Hundreds of thousands of people were willing Condemn a innocent man. He was practically forced out of football. This is why we can't play jury from our sofas.

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PortiaCastis · 14/10/2016 22:28

Yes quite.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2016 22:37

FUCK OFF, CHAD

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2016 22:38

Any rich bastard can do what he wants, if he's got 50 grand to wave around to witnesses

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/10/2016 22:38

I know so many people who have been sexually assaulted including myself. The only person who got anywhere near the police, never mind the Courts was the one male victim.

When I was touched up and groped without consent from a teenager, well into my 30s, it never occurred to me to bother telling the Police. I had hoped my daughter might have a different life to my mother and I. Seems not.

Survivors all of us.

AnneElliott · 14/10/2016 22:43

Agree with the others, not guilty doesn't mean you didn't do it.

And absolutely it would have been different if the victim was a man.

EveOnline2016 · 14/10/2016 22:45

Let just say all the pro CE camp would you trust your child with him

snakesalive · 14/10/2016 23:06

No one names their child Mirya, (hindlely) or Ian(Huntley) any more...and you can guarantee no one will use the name ched now either

twofingerstoGideon · 14/10/2016 23:27

I suggest you stop thinking about him then. What's he to you? Do you know him? His supporters? The girl? I'm guessing not. Just let it go.

Seriously?

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 14/10/2016 23:40

One of the reasons so many people care about this case is that Evans' original conviction felt like a HUGE step forward in terms of how we view consent. And today's moved that back. So get to fuck suggesting we should stop thinking about him, or his victim (she's not a fucking girl either) or his justice buying supporters. One step forward, two steps back, consent is a grey area once again and we're all the poorer for it.

PortiaCastis · 14/10/2016 23:46

When its news headlines and all over social media and you have been raped how do you stop thinking about it????

Eyeslikethesea · 15/10/2016 00:01

Poster/people like the OP really make me desperately sad.

It doesn't matter that she was drunk, it matters that she was used as a piece of fucking meat by another human being who has been consistent in his refusal to see he did anything wrong.

I genuinely could cry.

luckylavender · 15/10/2016 07:13

I feel very very sorry for women who have been raped and treated abysmally by the Courts in this country. However I just honestly do not believe that this is a standard case. Ched Evans behaved very very poorly, as did his friend who was not acquitted at the first trial. However, and I'll phrase this as carefully as I can, there is ample evidence to suggest that there was extremely poor behaviour from both parties. There were numerous social media posts prior to the event suggesting that there was an intention to bag a footballer. Despite being incapable of consenting, there were well punctuated and grammatically correct texts sent to a friend quite soon after the event. There is documented / filmed evidence showing the other party, not the footballer taking the lead during the act and the reason why previous history was allowed admissible in court is because there was a recognised pattern of behaviour. So whilst rape is a terrible terrible crime, and my heart bleeds for anyone who has suffered, I don't believe this was rape. I believe they both treated the other like pieces of meat and I think it would be foolish to think that women are always innocent. They've both paid a terrible price.

londonrach · 15/10/2016 07:34

Yabu. It shows money wins. He had sex with a woman whilst in a relationship. Whether or not that woman concented is hard to tell as there was too men there and was vuluable as she was drunk. He isnt an honable man as if she was that drunk he should have had sex with her and that ignoring the fact he was in a relationship.

Newfore72 · 15/10/2016 07:39

It's a tricky one isn't it from a legal point of view. Lots of people have been freed after a second trial or court of appeal.

From a moral point of view it's as clear cut as it can be.

I don't think he has won. All this has done has cleared his name, he has effectively served the time he would have done anyway. It was a decision that night that he has paid a heavy price for.

Only the people in the room know what really happened that night.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 15/10/2016 08:08

"It would be foolish to think that women are always innocent"
Absolutely, I mean who do we think we are claiming the right to go out with our mates, have a few drinks and shag a nloke we fancy? I mean obviously after that we're fair game for any repulsive little shitbag who happens to be in the vicinity
For fucks sake

BeyondPolkadots · 15/10/2016 08:13

Her intention to 'bag a footballer' was achieved when she picked up McDonald beforehand (I think his Verdict of not guilty of rape was correct btw, even though the rest of his behaviour was arseholish). That doesn't mean any old other footballer can come and "have a go" while she's there.

Gwenci · 15/10/2016 08:13

All this has done has cleared his name

If only that were true. As a pp has pointed out, we have a legal system based on precedent. This appalling decision will have ramifications far beyond 'just' clearing his name.

BeyondPolkadots · 15/10/2016 08:14

Lucky, the defence was never that she didn't consent, it was that she was too drunk to legally consent. She may well have ridden him like a cowboy, doesn't automatically mean she was able to consent

intheknickersoftime · 15/10/2016 08:26

What I don't understand is the judge said in her summing up to the jury that drunken consent is still consent and that if the jury found that she had consented drunkenly the jury should find him not guilty. Drunken consent isn't consent is it? That has been established as a legal precedent. So why are we here? I've read your post many times lavender and I can't agree with any of it.

intheknickersoftime · 15/10/2016 08:28

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ched-evans-rape-trial-not-guilty-hotel-teenager-judge-remarks-a7361956.html

This article suggests the jury was hamstrung by the judge.

luckylavender · 15/10/2016 08:46

She may well have ridden him like a cowboy, doesn't automatically mean she was able to consent

Seriously????

luckylavender · 15/10/2016 08:48

It would be foolish to think that women are always innocent"
Absolutely, I mean who do we think we are claiming the right to go out with our mates, have a few drinks and shag a nloke we fancy? I mean obviously after that we're fair game for any repulsive little shitbag who happens to be in the vicinity
For fucks sake

Shag any bloke you fancy - sure. Just don't cry rape afterwards. That's my point.

intheknickersoftime · 15/10/2016 08:49

www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/criminal-law/law-governing-rape-and-sexual-assault-law-essay.php

S75 of the Sexual offences act states that an unconscious person cannot give consent. Let's be clear on this.

intheknickersoftime · 15/10/2016 08:50

She did not cry rape Angry. The police decided to prosecute.

JustDanceAddict · 15/10/2016 08:55

He's a vile individual whether he is convicted rapist or not.

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